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Zuckerberg-Backed Data Trove Exposes the Injustices of Criminal Justice

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Re: Zuckerberg-Backed Data Trove Exposes the Injustices of Criminal Justice

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post #14

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Who cares what his motive is?

I do, in case you missed that. I don't think we should be giving people credit for PR "philanthropy".

My mom made me a cake last week, my favorite type of cake. It was great, but she made it only to pamper me, not because she really wanted to do it.

You are such a poser mom.

Re: Zuckerberg-Backed Data Trove Exposes the Injustices of Criminal Justice

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post #16

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That's ridiculous. He'd be more accountable in office than he is as CEO of the world's largest country. I mean, be skeptical of it by all means but banning people from running is just foolish.

He has a tool to gauge and manipulate public perception, like the current generation of political elite can only dream of. He can push any agenda he wants and have it delivered in just the right way to get the public to agree. You want a dude with that power to also be given executive control of the country?

It's unlikely that he'll be able to have political control and still retain control of FB. Possible, of course, but given the current administration's deliberate attempts to wreck ethical norms I suspect that over the next decade we'll either see a transition to a different form of governance or a much firmer and stricter codification of the distinction between public and private life.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/white-house-attempts-to-block-of...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/10/eric-trump-nepoti...

Re: Zuckerberg-Backed Data Trove Exposes the Injustices of Criminal Justice

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post #35

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Why? How can it be worse than Trump, or a career politician? I don't see how Zuck has any worse flaws than they do, but he might be in a better position to actually understand the electorate and the modern world.

Imagine if Trump were competent (but still disinterested in people and mostly focused on self aggrandizement and accumulation of wealth and power).

So you think Zuck is nothing more than a competent version of trump?

If so, I can see why you wouldn't want him as president.

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post #43

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Imagine if Trump were competent (but still disinterested in people and mostly focused on self aggrandizement and accumulation of wealth and power).

So you think Zuck is nothing more than a competent version of trump? If so, I can see why you wouldn't want him as president.

Not Zuckerburg specifically, I was answering How can it be worse than Trump, or a career politician? as a general question. What could be worse than Trump? A competent version.

I think Zuckerburg probably has a lot more decency than Trump. Even so, I'm not worried about Zuckerburg as a political candidate, it'll take him succeeding at it for me to believe it is possible.

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This is interesting. I hope they are developing a standardized format (XML?) in which all local courts could publish their records. Rolling out such a system would be difficult.

XML? It's not very hard to parse texts for the necessarily present section titles. Codification of legalese and logical formulas on the other hand would not really be facilitated by xml, unless I miss something because I never used it.

Re: Zuckerberg-Backed Data Trove Exposes the Injustices of Criminal Justice

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this work was well underway before zuckerberg got involved yet the headline implies (suggests?) that it happened _because_ of zuckerberg.

i'm torn; it smacks of getting your name associated with something good after it gets off the ground but it is allowing something good to continue. reminds me of VC funding mentality...

Re: Zuckerberg-Backed Data Trove Exposes the Injustices of Criminal Justice

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Who cares what his motive is?

I think it's very reasonable to care. Motivations matter because they are more predictive of future behavior than just about anything else we might learn about a person.

Is it possible to suss out another person's motivations in our current political media climate? Was it ever possible to truly find out motivations that weren't mostly projections of the voters and media types?

My belief is a strong "no" to both of those questions. (I don't even think that I understand my own motivations very well, and am much more hesitant to ascribe behavior to what 'motivates' other people.)

Re: Zuckerberg-Backed Data Trove Exposes the Injustices of Criminal Justice

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post #34

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Careful, you might be being accurate but pedantic. Rather than picking at the parent poster, why not say what you think about the issue?

Because I wanted to address this fallacious argument that appears over and over. In case I wasn't clear: I think any sensible policy has to include punitive measures, along with adequate support.

> In case I wasn't clear: I think any sensible policy has to include punitive measures, along with adequate support.

What sort of punitive measure is appropriate to use on someone whose doctor turned her into an alcoholic? What sort of punitive measures are appropriate for use on depressed people?

"Sensible policy" would acknowledge that prison usually makes people's actual behavioral problems worse.

Re: Zuckerberg-Backed Data Trove Exposes the Injustices of Criminal Justice

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post #39

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Because I wanted to address this fallacious argument that appears over and over. In case I wasn't clear: I think any sensible policy has to include punitive measures, along with adequate support.

You were not clear. But now that you have been, how is this anything other than empty? Who would disagree other than some fictional absolutist?

>other than some fictional absolutist?

Like the OP who claims that all punishment is problematic?

>how is this anything other than empty?

As you so astutely observed, I have nothing of substance to add to that part of the discussion.

Where I do have something of substance to add is with respect to an oft-repeated factual error about brain development, and a broader misconception about the problems involved in punitive measurements.

For someone worried about pedantry, you sure seem to be splitting hairs.

Re: Zuckerberg-Backed Data Trove Exposes the Injustices of Criminal Justice

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post #39

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You were not clear. But now that you have been, how is this anything other than empty? Who would disagree other than some fictional absolutist?

>other than some fictional absolutist? Like the OP who claims that all punishment is problematic? >how is this anything other than empty? As you so astutely observed, I have nothing of substance to add to that part of the discussion. Where I do have something of substance to add is with respect to an oft-repeated factual error about brain development, and a broader misconception about the problems involved in punitiv…

Try reading the OP again and you will find no claim that all punishment is problematic.
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