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Re: Brexit Britain Could Replace Migrants with Robots

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The tech necessary to replace front line service workers is not there. If it was we'd all be buying one to use as a domestic servant/slave. The robots in the article are more assembly line types, what happens when someone spills a coffee in some place 'unexpected', customer wants a custom frappadappalappachino instead of the regular drink, or something needs to be moved out of reach some customer needs help in a mill…

You can replace 5 out of 6, probably. Leave 1 as a customer service agent, and they handle all the special cases.

See Kellogg's Stretford cereal factory in the BBC Documentary Inside the Factory (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07mddvr), four people plus a fleet of roughly 30-50 robotic fork lift trucks manage all the product egress.

Personally, I welcome this, but it has to go hand in hand with some sort of universal income. We need to give everyone the chance to pick the job they /want/ to do, rather than the job they feel, economically, they have to do.

Researcher with masters degree on 21k/year? You could easily get double that from a programming job with a few years of experience if you have the aptitude.

I'd much rather receive a universal income, while working on things that I feel make a difference, rather than what I have to do to feed my family.

Re: Brexit Britain Could Replace Migrants with Robots

#42

The tech necessary to replace front line service workers is not there. If it was we'd all be buying one to use as a domestic servant/slave. The robots in the article are more assembly line types, what happens when someone spills a coffee in some place 'unexpected', customer wants a custom frappadappalappachino instead of the regular drink, or something needs to be moved out of reach some customer needs help in a mill…

I agree that things won't change enough in service jobs to matter by 2019. But as to this:

> The tech necessary to replace front line service workers is not there. If it was we'd all be buying one ... what happens when ... some customer needs help in unexpected ways

History does tell us that sometimes the market will throw away jobs that are becoming inconvenient to society, even if that means doing without the services that class of worker provides, or receiving worse and less convenient services.

Consider household servants.

They used to be seen as necessary for middle and upper-class households, because professional households required staggering amounts of manual labor just to keep everyone fed and clothed.

Those jobs vanished, right around the time that clothes and dish-washing machines were invented. But it's interesting to look at why.

Clothes and dish-washing machines are, frankly, not as great as servants (my feeling 'icky' about having someone else wash my clothes aside). You have to do the work yourself, and accept more cognitive load. But they win on cost -- the costs of employing a servant went up, and eventually worse service was worth it for a simpler and cheaper self-serve solution.

Could something similar happen in service work?

Well, look at the Amazon store, and compare it to a current grocery store.

Now imagine a Starbucks with touchscreen-and-voice enabled ordering, no visible employees (maybe one employee, nominally a store manager, working the fleet of coffee machines behind the screens, and doing some light sweeping in the restaurant, etc) and a communal co-working space that more or less preserves the current experience, just minus the baristas.

Re: Brexit Britain Could Replace Migrants with Robots

#43

Now we just need to get rid of those pesky poor people and presto... instant utopia. Purge anyone?

Or basic income.

Get rid of the whole array of benefits entirely, and give people a universal income that is enough to live on. Now, you can work if you want more money, or you can do something with your life that matters.

Question is, how many people would just sit on their arses watching JK?

Re: Brexit Britain Could Replace Migrants with Robots

#44

To be honest, a lot more robots could be used if locations were designed for them in the first place. I'm not exactly expecting to see my bartender get replaced by a humanoid robot, as seen in Passengers, anytime soon. Instead I expect more to follow the McDonalds route; changing the entire food ordering flow by having touch screen displays dotted around the restaurant, where you can quickly tap in an order.

One of the key points in some AI/robotics piece that I read recently was that expecting robots to navigate in and interact with humans in a world designed by humans for other humans can be a very difficult problem.

Driving is a case in point. Essentially everything about the current road system, signals, etc. are built around normal human levels of visual acuity, reflexes, and ability to reason about a typical traffic environment. Especially in places like cities, that's a very tall order for an AI. (But, unlike a factory, you can't just assume away the people who live and work there. i.e. the whole reason for the city's existence in the first place.)

Re: Brexit Britain Could Replace Migrants with Robots

#45

To be honest, a lot more robots could be used if locations were designed for them in the first place. I'm not exactly expecting to see my bartender get replaced by a humanoid robot, as seen in Passengers, anytime soon. Instead I expect more to follow the McDonalds route; changing the entire food ordering flow by having touch screen displays dotted around the restaurant, where you can quickly tap in an order.

Another example being supermarket self-service tills, which replace ~10 staffed tills with a single staff member.

Re: Brexit Britain Could Replace Migrants with Robots

#46
post #27

What will make local's immune from being replaced by robots. Why this should affect only immigrants?

When it starts affecting people who vote, they'll start to push back and you'll get either Keynesian economic stimulus (we'll pay you to dig a hole and fill it back in again), or regulation that makes automation more difficult (e.g. French-style job protections). Put in a policy saying that anyone whose job gets eliminated or reduced as the result of automation is eligible for half-pay and full pension benefits until…

> When it starts affecting people who vote, they'll start to push back

i'm not sure it works this way...

Re: Brexit Britain Could Replace Migrants with Robots

#47
post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

´What unlimited immigration? Do you have numbers to support that claim?

I said "virtually unlimited." Try not deliberately taking me out context next time.

Then I will change with "Virtually unlimited?"

Re: Brexit Britain Could Replace Migrants with Robots

#48

What will make local's immune from being replaced by robots. Why this should affect only immigrants?

Part of the justification for current anti-immigrant sentiment, and Brexit, boils down to "they took our jobs!"

More accurately: Immigrants did jobs that citizens were unwilling to do for market rates. The market hasn't changed. Low-cost labor is still required, and robots will fill those roles.

If anything, I'd be worried about a net reduction in jobs as a result of removing immigrants... smaller businesses that lack the capital for automated labor may themselves priced out of business trying to employee citizens.

At this point good creative work is probably the closest thing to automation immunity, as well as patient-facing healthcare (ie nurses)... for the rest of us education and experience is the only job security we have.

Re: Brexit Britain Could Replace Migrants with Robots

#49

To be honest, a lot more robots could be used if locations were designed for them in the first place. I'm not exactly expecting to see my bartender get replaced by a humanoid robot, as seen in Passengers, anytime soon. Instead I expect more to follow the McDonalds route; changing the entire food ordering flow by having touch screen displays dotted around the restaurant, where you can quickly tap in an order.

I've been waiting for the day i can order a drink without waiting in a smashed line with 300 people

Re: Brexit Britain Could Replace Migrants with Robots

#50

To be honest, a lot more robots could be used if locations were designed for them in the first place. I'm not exactly expecting to see my bartender get replaced by a humanoid robot, as seen in Passengers, anytime soon. Instead I expect more to follow the McDonalds route; changing the entire food ordering flow by having touch screen displays dotted around the restaurant, where you can quickly tap in an order.

Or extra BIG ASS FRIES... (Carl's Jr from Idiocracy)

ObOnTopic: Cashiers are doing a very automatable job.. Like, it's done already to good effect. And if you do like our Krogers does at night, you dont have a choice to not use automation.

The harder thing is mechanics and QC for food production. But with cheaper motors and actuators, makes more complicated food automation cheaper, easier, and higher quality than human workers. And robots don't complain, or whine about bad working conditions... And they show up to work without fail.

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