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Brexit Britain Could Replace Migrants with Robots

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Re: Brexit Britain Could Replace Migrants with Robots

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Considering many people who design and develop the tech for robots in the UK are migrants, i don't think this strategy will fare particularly well

If I understand UK visa rules correctly, getting a work permit as someone who designs or develops tech for robots is as easy as getting a job offer from a company that wants you to design or develop tech for robots for them.

Yes, but:

1.) This doesn't help startups -- only large companies that can afford to go through the expensive and laborious visa-permit process.

2.) As a foreign worker, since your residency depends on employment, you're in a far worse bargaining position vis-a-vis salaries, so this depresses worker wages, however much the government tries to enforce the requirement that foreign workers are paid at prevailing wages.

3.) Also because your residency depends on ongoing employment, putting down roots and becoming a full-fledged member of the community is much more difficult.

Source: I'm a non-EU immigrant to the UK, brought in specifically to work on automated transport technologies. The hacks I've had to go through to start my two companies here are unbelievable. The UK's immigration policies are seriously bad at attracting talent, and post-Brexit, look like they'll get much, much worse.

Re: Brexit Britain Could Replace Migrants with Robots

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Clickbait title keyed to feed our current robot fears. Should at least have the qualifier " for low skilled jobs in the manufacturing sector"

> qualifier " for low skilled jobs in the manufacturing sector" For most of the people whose main reason for voting for Brexit was immigration's effects on jobs, these are the jobs that they seem the immigrants as competition for. The theory is that the immigrants were willing to work for less so "stole" the menial, mind-numbing, often physical, & sometimes seasonal jobs. Having a number of such complainers in my fam…

> The theory is that the immigrants were willing to work for less so "stole" the menial, mind-numbing, often physical, & sometimes seasonal jobs.

Except recent studies show that most EU migrants go for high skilled jobs and that the migrant impact on low skilled jobs is small - see below.

> The positive impact of recent European migration to Britain is highlighted by the fact that the UK now attracts the highest number of university-educated migrants of any country in the European Union, according to new research from University College London.

- https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/nov/05/uk-magnet-hi...

> In 2015, there were approximately 3.3 million EU immigrants living in Britain. About a third live in London. EU migrants tend to be younger and better educated than the UK-born population.

> Do low-skilled UK citizens bear the brunt of EU migration? A number of studies have found there is a small negative effect of migration on the wages of low-skilled workers — those with whom migrants compete most directly.

- https://www.ft.com/content/0deacb52-178b-11e6-9d98-00386a18e...

Re: Brexit Britain Could Replace Migrants with Robots

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post #12

Clickbait title keyed to feed our current robot fears. Should at least have the qualifier " for low skilled jobs in the manufacturing sector"

> qualifier " for low skilled jobs in the manufacturing sector" For most of the people whose main reason for voting for Brexit was immigration's effects on jobs, these are the jobs that they seem the immigrants as competition for. The theory is that the immigrants were willing to work for less so "stole" the menial, mind-numbing, often physical, & sometimes seasonal jobs. Having a number of such complainers in my fam…

I have the opposite reaction to this. The open borders crowd has been insistent that Western nations don't have enough poor people to work low skilled jobs, so they argue we need to import them in mass from other countries.

But, as you said, if the robots work out cheaper over a short enough amount of time then it is logical we will not to continue with virtually unlimited immigration.

Re: Brexit Britain Could Replace Migrants with Robots

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What will make local's immune from being replaced by robots. Why this should affect only immigrants?

When it starts affecting people who vote, they'll start to push back and you'll get either Keynesian economic stimulus (we'll pay you to dig a hole and fill it back in again), or regulation that makes automation more difficult (e.g. French-style job protections).

Put in a policy saying that anyone whose job gets eliminated or reduced as the result of automation is eligible for half-pay and full pension benefits until they have a new job at an equivalent salary and suddenly the business case for robots wouldn't be nearly so strong. And people will be pushing for stuff like that if they feel that their jobs, rather than some Polish guy's, is at risk.

Migrants, by and large, don't vote, so you can automate their jobs away without incurring regulatory risk to yourself, if you are a large organization. It's the safe place to start.

Re: Brexit Britain Could Replace Migrants with Robots

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The tech necessary to replace front line service workers is not there. If it was we'd all be buying one to use as a domestic servant/slave. The robots in the article are more assembly line types, what happens when someone spills a coffee in some place 'unexpected', customer wants a custom frappadappalappachino instead of the regular drink, or something needs to be moved out of reach some customer needs help in a million other unexpected ways. The tech will get there eventually I'm sure but not by 2019. They will need to hire more locals, and probably increase their wages because they (rightfully so) won't accept such nonsense wages like £8 an hour in London.

Re: Brexit Britain Could Replace Migrants with Robots

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Surely they will replace them with locals on 0 hours contracts or the young doing apprenticeships for peanuts.

Probably. A question though, what would these locals and young be doing if migrants did those jobs?

Education, so that they could get one of those jobs which will be moved back to the EU now.
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