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The open-office trend is destroying the workplace (2014)

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Re: The open-office trend is destroying the workplace (2014)

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post #5

I think open-office is great. It makes it much easier for independent developers to compete with large corporations.

I too think it's great* *Owns shares in headphone company

I'd like to specify: Own shares in Bose*

*Empowering open offices with $300 noise cancelling headphones since 1964.

Re: The open-office trend is destroying the workplace (2014)

#42
post #26

My office is switching to an open design. And none of the people who work there are happy about it. It was decided by the folks who own the company, several thousand miles away. I think the real allure of open offices is how they look. Open offices look modern . They look like the kind of working area a hip, young, collaborative, industry-disrupting company would favor. But that's all bullshit. It's just a fairy tale…

They've always been a big drawback for me whenever I go interview. It's hard to imagine going to actually work in the space when you don't know how annoying the people that would be around you are. It increases the amount of variables in the form of people's personalities - will you sit around the nice guy who won't ever shut up, the always distracted person, or does everyone have a good work mode but it's hard to break the silence?

For one it makes "meta" discussions about the workplace not happen except out of office. I've seen over time there's a lack of office improvements in open office situations compared to places with private spaces. People also treat others with a bit less professionalism.

Re: The open-office trend is destroying the workplace (2014)

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post #23

I seem to be the odd one out in that I actually enjoy an open office setup. I've had both and I feel there's so much more collaboration happening in an open office. I almost see it weekly that there's a LOT of learning through osmosis, listening in to conversations, ... I guess I have a pretty easy time keeping up concentration/flow. So in this case, it "works on my machine" :)

How large a space and are you all colocated?

My employer is moving to an open office. Truly open, one giant space for 100+ developers, plus managers.

Half my team is remote, as are about half of the teams I work with. So, we are all on the phone/Skype/something all day long. And not with the same people. It's going to be like the Tower of Babel in the new space. I'm not looking forward to it.

Re: The open-office trend is destroying the workplace (2014)

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post #33

I think archaeologists studying us in a few thousand years are going to be so fucking confused by this discussion. Offices? Why? It will seem more bizarre and alien to them than the Salem witch trials seem to us.

I really don't think so. Someone will see SV real estate prices and make sense of it.

Then again, I don't see the Salem Witch Trials as that alien either.

Re: The open-office trend is destroying the workplace (2014)

#45

Despite what every open office critic says, it's very possible to be productive at work in an environment that is not designed to meet their very exacting needs. You're not painting the Mona Lisa, you're working on some app or spreadsheet. It's called work for a reason. Learn to make do.

While it is possible to put up with a lot and still churn out work, many tech companies nowadays try to make their office and facilities a perk of the job. "Look how cool our office is. We have twenty coffee machines on each floor, a massive beautiful kitchen and bar, meeting rooms with couches! A game room. Come work for us!"

Companies that treat their office as a selling point for employees should expect to be criticised when that selling point falls short in the most important area of all - where the people they are trying to attract actually sit and work all day.

Re: The open-office trend is destroying the workplace (2014)

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post #26

My office is switching to an open design. And none of the people who work there are happy about it. It was decided by the folks who own the company, several thousand miles away. I think the real allure of open offices is how they look. Open offices look modern . They look like the kind of working area a hip, young, collaborative, industry-disrupting company would favor. But that's all bullshit. It's just a fairy tale…

That makes no sense. The non open-offices I had were all much better looking.

But they don't look like the places cool startups do cool startup things and the company wants to foster a cool startup feel so that everyone acts like it's a cool startup and starts doing cool startup things and attracting all that cool startup talent so that all that cool startup money starts flowing in and cool startup vibe permeates the office.

/cool startup.

Re: The open-office trend is destroying the workplace (2014)

#47
post #27

I've been in a couple of co-working spaces uses the open-office concept. It's generally pretty good when everyone is a developer, but then there's the occasional sales/customer service person, which is what this article seems to allude to. I think open-office is a great concept that just needs to be refined a little: i.e. stricter enforcement of phone/loudness etiquette.

And what to do with people who have to grab the phone or talk?

They have nowhere to isolate because it's a f------- open office.

Re: The open-office trend is destroying the workplace (2014)

#48
post #26

My office is switching to an open design. And none of the people who work there are happy about it. It was decided by the folks who own the company, several thousand miles away. I think the real allure of open offices is how they look. Open offices look modern . They look like the kind of working area a hip, young, collaborative, industry-disrupting company would favor. But that's all bullshit. It's just a fairy tale…

It's about look, alright; the look of the balance sheet when you can cram more people into a cheaper space! Offices take up too much room, and even cubicles are inefficient. If you put people shoulder-to-shoulder at rows of back-to-back workstations, you can fit, like, a hundred of them in a room.

Re: The open-office trend is destroying the workplace (2014)

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post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That makes no sense. The non open-offices I had were all much better looking.

But they don't look like the places cool startups do cool startup things and the company wants to foster a cool startup feel so that everyone acts like it's a cool startup and starts doing cool startup things and attracting all that cool startup talent so that all that cool startup money starts flowing in and cool startup vibe permeates the office. /cool startup.

That makes no sense. There was nerf guns, game tables and underpaid young developers. There is no need for an open office to have that.

/coolER startup.

Re: The open-office trend is destroying the workplace (2014)

#50
I sincerely feel with those who can not concentrate in an open environment but all is not black and white. As a mild introvert I hate the whole social dance associated with entering someone's private office while I can go into a deep concentration wearing just over the ear headphones even if I forget to start the music.

(Ideal is the combination of open space with numerous meeting rooms and smaller pods for phone calls and occasional privacy.)

Productivity is not that important if you are producing the wrong thing in the first place.

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