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Re: US Govt Data Shows Russia Used Outdated Ukrainian PHP Malware

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Post by knz »

dijit wrote: post #36
knz wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is too sinple. Russia is actively pushing an agenda as well - the invasion of Ukraine and annexation of Crimea were not a response to US/NATO aggression. A new cold war has also been pushed domestically for the political benefit of Putin et al. If Trump had done basic things like released his tax returns (to show no massive conflict of interest with Russian loans etc) or stopped praising Putin on a regular basis…

It's a weird game of cat and mouse you describe but lets be clear, the annexation of Crimea, was, in Russias eyes a direct counter to the US backed revolution in Ukraine. The US has wanted Ukraine in NATO for as long as I've been alive if not longer, having forces on the front door of Russia along the European border is something they deeply desire.. US Government's Assistant Secretary of State for European and Euras…

I should have been more clear. By aggression I mean direct and overt military action.

Courting a country for NATO isn't quite the same as actively invading.

You are 100% correct that it's a game of cat and mouse.

Re: US Govt Data Shows Russia Used Outdated Ukrainian PHP Malware

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Post by ZoeZoeBee »

knz wrote: post #38
ZoeZoeBee wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The invasion of Crimea was a direct response to US/NATO aggression. 1) The US helped plot to overthrow the Ukranian government in 2014. 2) Russia was not keen on NATO pushing for Ukraine to become a member, which would literally put the Russians major warm naval port under NATO hands. 3) Crimea has been a part of Russia for centuries, the only reason Crimea became a part of Ukraine after the breakup of the Soviet Uni…

Is there any credible evidence that the US/NATO was behind a coup in Ukraine? Google doesn't reveal anything substantial. Ukraine is/was a sovereign nation. Why should Russia stop them from joining NATO if that is what they want? The invasion of their country seems to suggest that a desire for NATO protection was warranted? Annexing another sovereign nation based upon historical claims and access to a military port i…

1) Obama's admittance in an interview on CNN

> Mr. Putin made this decision around Crimea and Ukraine - not because of some grand strategy, but essentially because he was caught off-balance by the protests in the Maidan and Yanukovych then fleeing after we had brokered a deal to transition power in Ukraine

http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2015/02/01/pres-obama-on-f...

2) Emails between the NATO general and US political staff, regarding US involvement in Ukraine politics during that time.

https://theintercept.com/2016/07/01/nato-general-emails/

3) NATO agreed not to expand to the East in 1990 when the SU broke up, and Crimea Voted To Rejoin Russia.

Edit: Feel free to Listen to the Phone call between Nuland and Pyatt from 2014

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957

Re: US Govt Data Shows Russia Used Outdated Ukrainian PHP Malware

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Post by knz »

dijit wrote: post #40
knz wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who said anything about slavery? We are talking about meddling in the political affairs of other countries and espionage. That's been going on ever since lines were drawn on a map.

Correct, your defence of the US Govt's meddling was "but Europeans did it" Which is an absolutely incorrigible position.

I didn't say anything about it being justified. I said "let's not pretend that US is unique in doing so" to someone who implied the US deserves it...

Re: US Govt Data Shows Russia Used Outdated Ukrainian PHP Malware

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Post by matt_wulfeck »

toss1941 wrote: post #31
sverige wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The most ironic part of the Clinton camp using the term "rigged" is that the original use of the term was by Bernie Sanders against Clinton during the primaries. His claims were proved by the emails that were released by Wikileaks. But somehow this has become a discussion of whether the Russians were behind it, rather than the uncontested content of the emails showing the Clinton campaign's malfeasance. It has also m…

Classic distraction strategy. It's sad watching people on facebook/twitter even believe one word from the White House and the MSM about Russian hacking. Putin isn't a nice person, but even so the facts simply don't support the government's claims. If you ask me, they went with the Russian angle because of how ruthless Putin seems to be, and they thought it would be easy to sell. It was with a lot of people, it seems,…

And now we look petty and they look magnanimous for not opting for an in-kind response. I don't know how long it will take us to rebuild our humint network but I'm assuming it won't be easy to identify all of the new spies coming in with new and improved methods.

Re: US Govt Data Shows Russia Used Outdated Ukrainian PHP Malware

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Post by AJ007 »

Gustomaximus wrote: post #5
gtirloni wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the conclusion anyone working in the security/network area was bound to arrive at. It's really interesting FBI/DHS would make those claims publicly when the chance of having any hard evidence of that would be minimal. But they still did it. Why?

To me the ongoing 'Russia rigged elections' smells like propaganda from the other side. And maybe russia did release the DNC emails, but Assange said that wasn't the case and I feel he's more likely to be telling the truth than state players. And even if they did release these emails it's hardly rigging an election. Comneys email announcement at the 11th hour about reopening email investigation was probably a decidin…

Trying to avoid all political topics here -

If there were security holes in such a high profile organization, I would assume multiple intelligence agencies may have made interceptions of the data.

The US intercepts communications of even friendly foreign governments, it certainly should be expected that a hostile government is going to try to intercept communications of the US government and related private organizations.

If Julian Assange is to be believed, which I think is fair, my guess is Russia hacked the DNC and RNC, yet the DNC dump came from someone else, internal or external.

Everything about the Russia stories are reminding me of a few years ago when ever hack was caused by China. Of course, because hackers are routing traffic through China and thats where the trail ended!

I've written this here before, but while there is the appearance that the United States Government is unified and trying to do one thing, this is not the case. There are specific individuals, within places such as the State Department and Central Intelligence Agency, who have very intentional strategies and agendas which in some cases are totally at odds with the Department of Defense or the Department of Justice. They have done enough to keep long, multi-Presidential administration careers and gain influence in those organizations while avoid being ousted, but they are wielding outsized influence on US foreign policy.

If one tries to explain what the US is doing without acknowledging or understanding the strong opposing forces within the US government, things start sounding really wacky. Most certainly others within the US government including elected officials are guilty of this too, at least in their public statements (which like propaganda can have long term destructive counter-effect of eventually causing the majority of your supporters to fight for made up stories rather than what you were originally intending to do.)

Re: US Govt Data Shows Russia Used Outdated Ukrainian PHP Malware

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Post by knz »

ZoeZoeBee wrote: post #43
knz wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there any credible evidence that the US/NATO was behind a coup in Ukraine? Google doesn't reveal anything substantial. Ukraine is/was a sovereign nation. Why should Russia stop them from joining NATO if that is what they want? The invasion of their country seems to suggest that a desire for NATO protection was warranted? Annexing another sovereign nation based upon historical claims and access to a military port i…

1) Obama's admittance in an interview on CNN > Mr. Putin made this decision around Crimea and Ukraine - not because of some grand strategy, but essentially because he was caught off-balance by the protests in the Maidan and Yanukovych then fleeing after we had brokered a deal to transition power in Ukraine http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2015/02/01/pres-obama-on-f... 2) Emails between the NATO general and US politi…

Thanks for the links.

The second link is specifically about a US general going behind Obama's back in an attempt to escalate the conflict and the third even talks about how Russia is probably having similar conversations.

I don't disagree that the US/EU/NATO hasn't played games in the conflict. I do however think that there is a difference between political games and sending tanks across a border.

Thanks again for the links.

Re: US Govt Data Shows Russia Used Outdated Ukrainian PHP Malware

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Post by matt_wulfeck »

crucialfelix wrote: post #4

The php malware is the least interesting piece of all the alleged activity. Being a version behind isnt significant. Its a simple common hacker tool. My postgresql is a few versions behind. So what ? If RIS had used obvious elite tools with impressive functionality then it would point straight to them. Its much smarter to look amateur. The JAR should have declassified something juicy. They put out this weak report, r…

The USA puts "hackers" in jail, and the ones they hire might not even get a job if they admit to smoking weed in college. This is a country where you can get prison time for using someone's open wireless network. There's hostility towards hackers here from ignorant judges and lawmakers who come down hard on things they don't understand.

They win by pressuring US companies with incentives/contracts (Juniper) or jail time (Qwest) to weaken or backdoor their products for US and foreign buyers.

Their own citizens are kept in the dark with secret court orders with dubious constitutionality. "Amateur" is being generous.

Re: US Govt Data Shows Russia Used Outdated Ukrainian PHP Malware

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Post by vectorwhat »

knz wrote: post #34
ZeroGravitas wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a non-American, the long history of the US meddling in elections may make the claims hypocritical, but it makes me very open to suggestions that Russia would do it too.

Are you European by chance? If so, don't worry, your country also likely has a long history of meddling on local affairs either through colonialism or parts of the cold war, especially if you are British! Yes, the US has meddled in international affairs but let's not pretend that US is unique in doing so or that Russia is some benign country that has no history of actively working against the interests of Europe/US/N…

First there are many countries in Western Europe with no significant colonial history. Greece for example. Italy's colonial history is insignificant.

As to being glad that we grew up in Western Europe during the cold war, I have an Albanian friend who is now a professor of economics in the USA. He said that, although living in communism as an adult (Albania had the worst communist, btw) would have sucked, he wouldn't trade his childhood for anything.

I've never met tougher mofos than my Albanian friends or my wife. They know how to have fun, how to behave in groups and nothing scares them. By comparison how many of my peers (or myself) suffer from anxiety, are anti-social (being on your phone in public is very anti-social) or just weird?

Re: US Govt Data Shows Russia Used Outdated Ukrainian PHP Malware

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Post by lisivka »

whitemale wrote: post #16
threeseed wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody said Russia rigged the election. The issue was the attempts to influence the election which Russia has a long, documented history of doing so. And the US had an obligation to respond which they did with minimal effect. So claiming all of this was about propaganda really makes no sense given the facts on the ground. And please remember why Russia's relations with almost all of the world deteriorated in the firs…

> So claiming all of this was about propaganda really makes no sense given the facts on the ground. Where are those facts? please show hard evidence. So far I haven't seen any hard evidence that proves it was the state of Russia who orchestrated the hacks. > And please remember why Russia's relations with almost all of the world deteriorated in the first place. It's because they annexed Crimea (unprecedented for our…

I suspect you are Russian. Can I ask a dumb question?

Russian language started to be used by civilians in 16 century. Before that, it used in churches only. (See Wikipedia for details).

What language your grand....grand parents are used before 16 century?

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