I wish the UK had this. Mobile phone/data providers send a header with HTTP requests to provide the site with your phone number which they can then use to charge you without permission.
Wow seriously? That is semi-terrifying.
Only "semi"?
FCC Vote Means Internet Providers Need Permission to Share Your Data
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#42Interestingly there seems to be a loophole in that they can collect the data regardless of consent, but can't use or share it without consent. So chances are this sensitive data will be recorded and put in a database anyway, even if they're not lawfully allowed to look at it without anonymizing first - but a future law could also add an exception, keeping things for law enforcement for instance. I'm triple checking w…
IIRC that's what AT&T did; I guess it was too complex to feed an opt-out blacklist to their DPI boxes. ISPs are still in denial that this data is toxic waste. https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2016/03/data_is_a_tox...
If the FCC allows ISPs to collect data as long as they swear it will never be used, the ISPs can then sell it to law enforcement with a contract that says they will also "never use it". https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/oct/25/att-secretl...
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#43I am kind of surprised that this wasn't already regulated, considering that telephone privacy has been an issue for decades. Perhaps this is a case of an unwritten common-sense policy that is only being codified when ISPs start to break it (e.g. AT&T's now-canceled "Internet Preferences").
Only landline phones have that kind of protection.
Re: FCC Vote Means Internet Providers Need Permission to Share Your Data
#44Interestingly there seems to be a loophole in that they can collect the data regardless of consent, but can't use or share it without consent. So chances are this sensitive data will be recorded and put in a database anyway, even if they're not lawfully allowed to look at it without anonymizing first - but a future law could also add an exception, keeping things for law enforcement for instance. I'm triple checking w…
Any idea why? Do they need Congress to do that (or give them the power to do it)? Or are these FCC politics.
Re: FCC Vote Means Internet Providers Need Permission to Share Your Data
#45Interestingly there seems to be a loophole in that they can collect the data regardless of consent, but can't use or share it without consent. So chances are this sensitive data will be recorded and put in a database anyway, even if they're not lawfully allowed to look at it without anonymizing first - but a future law could also add an exception, keeping things for law enforcement for instance. I'm triple checking w…
There is no need for any sort of future law, that data is open to law enforcement already. That is the fundamental problem in all of this: decade old court decisions that determined you have no "reasonable expectation of privacy" in data you shared with a company.
AT&T turned this into a product:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-27/us-taxpayers-pay-at...
That may have been a useful policy in a time where you yourself could decide what data you shared, now that devices share data on your behalf that can be stored forever, aggregated, analyzed and what not it is clearly no longer acceptable. We desperately need a whitelist approach to companies storing and handling cleartext user- and metadata.
Re: FCC Vote Means Internet Providers Need Permission to Share Your Data
#46I wish the UK had this. Mobile phone/data providers send a header with HTTP requests to provide the site with your phone number which they can then use to charge you without permission.
Doesn't the EU have extensive privacy laws?
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#47Maybe they can now regulate that ISPs can not modify IP payload? What world are we living in where the post service is allowed to rip open mail and deface it.
The FCC has spent years fighting for net neutrality.
I'm not sure yours and their definition of net neutrality overlaps much.
I personally don't think "not modifying user data" above IP is much of a net neutrality issue either; it should be a felony issue, as is tampering with mail.
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#48lots of power for an entity of unelected officials....
They are legally empowered by elected officials, just like the police, the courts, the entire Justice Department, military, State Department, NIH, NSF, IEEE (for some things), and many, many more.
What alternative is there? Our elected officials can't possibly have the time or the expertise to perform all those tasks themselves.
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#49I wish the UK had this. Mobile phone/data providers send a header with HTTP requests to provide the site with your phone number which they can then use to charge you without permission.
Wow seriously? That is semi-terrifying.
Terrifying, horrifying, amazing... none of these words have any impact left after huffpo and buzzfeed have watered them down to meaninglessness. They get to join "evil" on the scrapheap of linguistic history.
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#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
heh pretty much yes, though I'm sure someone can think of times it would be different. and since penalties for opting out are not allowed, the ISPs will have to be very careful how they structure such bonuses - they would have to be perks totally separate from the service they provide is my guess.
It probably has to do with the advertised price. They probably can't advertise service as $49.95, then add an additional $20 charge if you opt-in to the privacy plan. They probably would need to at minimum advertise both prices in their marketing copy.
>then add an additional $20 charge if you opt-in to the privacy plan
probably not a viable option because a VPN offers complete privacy from the ISP, and only costs $5/month.