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Re: Violence Against Women in Papua New Guinea

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vacri wrote: post #34
dlmetcalf wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "And you know something? \"So what\"? So what if women get this one in their favour? Who really gives a fuck? " Maybe the rest of the family of kids who women bludgeoned to death, burnt alive, cut into pieces, stuffed down drains etc (all recent cases here). Maybe also the guys who've been stabbed a few too many times, hit in the back of the head with frying pans, etc. p.s. Hospital record audits show extremely sim…

> You are making the mistake of assuming that DV is only represented by homicide counts. I'm just going to quote myself here. You're both arguing from outliers and arguing from emotion. Hell, fuck it. You win. The anti-DV campaign should stop because it's not completely even-handed. Fuck those infants beaten to death because their dads can't hear the footy. We should close down all the battered women's shelters as we…

> Fuck those infants beaten to death because their dads can't hear the footy.

I'd appreciate if you dial back the language.

Your extreme prejudice shows, because reality is that 52‰ of kids killed in DV are killed BY women. Burnt alive, cut into pieces, stuffed down drains, bludgeoned, ALL recent cases by women - while you try to paint them as "sugar, spice and all things nice" fairytales and prejudice against fathers. Your push to prosecute against males, while turning a blind eye to female violence has a name - misandry. You're the one who's saying, quote, "Fuck those infants beaten to death". You're saying "fuck those" 52%, their lives don't matter - because it was only a female killing THEM.

Re: Violence Against Women in Papua New Guinea

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Post by dlmetcalf »

vacri wrote: post #34
dlmetcalf wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "And you know something? \"So what\"? So what if women get this one in their favour? Who really gives a fuck? " Maybe the rest of the family of kids who women bludgeoned to death, burnt alive, cut into pieces, stuffed down drains etc (all recent cases here). Maybe also the guys who've been stabbed a few too many times, hit in the back of the head with frying pans, etc. p.s. Hospital record audits show extremely sim…

> You are making the mistake of assuming that DV is only represented by homicide counts. I'm just going to quote myself here. You're both arguing from outliers and arguing from emotion. Hell, fuck it. You win. The anti-DV campaign should stop because it's not completely even-handed. Fuck those infants beaten to death because their dads can't hear the footy. We should close down all the battered women's shelters as we…

> After all, if we can't help everyone, then we shouldn't help anyone.

Tell me again why we can't help without discrimination? It's not that we can't try to stop all DV. It's simply that you choose to explicitly be sexist.

Re: Violence Against Women in Papua New Guinea

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dlmetcalf wrote: post #41
vacri wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You are making the mistake of assuming that DV is only represented by homicide counts. I'm just going to quote myself here. You're both arguing from outliers and arguing from emotion. Hell, fuck it. You win. The anti-DV campaign should stop because it's not completely even-handed. Fuck those infants beaten to death because their dads can't hear the footy. We should close down all the battered women's shelters as we…

> Fuck those infants beaten to death because their dads can't hear the footy. I'd appreciate if you dial back the language. Your extreme prejudice shows, because reality is that 52‰ of kids killed in DV are killed BY women. Burnt alive, cut into pieces, stuffed down drains, bludgeoned, ALL recent cases by women - while you try to paint them as "sugar, spice and all things nice" fairytales and prejudice against father…

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Re: Violence Against Women in Papua New Guinea

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dlmetcalf wrote: post #26
vacri wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are making the mistake of assuming that DV is only represented by homicide counts. It's a bit like those anti-abortion campaigners who only use third-trimester abortion as their talking point, when third-trimester abortion accounts for less than 0.1% of abortions. Using the extreme case in place of the general case doesn't do anyone any favours. Your link does point out that violence swings both ways and that wom…

> "And you know something? \"So what\"? So what if women get this one in their favour? Who really gives a fuck? " Maybe the rest of the family of kids who women bludgeoned to death, burnt alive, cut into pieces, stuffed down drains etc (all recent cases here). Maybe also the guys who've been stabbed a few too many times, hit in the back of the head with frying pans, etc. p.s. Hospital record audits show extremely sim…

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Re: Violence Against Women in Papua New Guinea

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Post by dlmetcalf »

vacri wrote: post #34
dlmetcalf wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "And you know something? \"So what\"? So what if women get this one in their favour? Who really gives a fuck? " Maybe the rest of the family of kids who women bludgeoned to death, burnt alive, cut into pieces, stuffed down drains etc (all recent cases here). Maybe also the guys who've been stabbed a few too many times, hit in the back of the head with frying pans, etc. p.s. Hospital record audits show extremely sim…

> You are making the mistake of assuming that DV is only represented by homicide counts. I'm just going to quote myself here. You're both arguing from outliers and arguing from emotion. Hell, fuck it. You win. The anti-DV campaign should stop because it's not completely even-handed. Fuck those infants beaten to death because their dads can't hear the footy. We should close down all the battered women's shelters as we…

p.s. As someone who's actually experienced a triple compound facial fracture, cheek bone entirely smashed off, exploded sinuses, facial palsy, etc. from a violent unprovoked cowardly assault from behind (and spent 3 weeks coughing up blood) - I think I'm in a better position to understand what that means than most.

Not to mention having stood at the pointy-end of a large kitchen knife wielded by a borderline disordered manic woman (and that's not even slightly the worst of it). I don't hate women - because I know the majority of women aren't like that (just like the majority of males are violent either). In fact, I've never even had ONE single genuine argument with my current partner of 3 years and I certainly never had any seriously heated one with any ex either, apart from that one.

In case you think I was raised as some radical women hating MRA; my father nominated the first female District Governor of Rotary International in Australia. My auntie was the first foreign female academic to teach in China in post-Communist China. My grandmother was one of the very first women in her city with a drivers license. AND my cousin actually WORKS for AusAid on women's right development programs in Pacific nations (Fiji was her last posting, but no full time PNG secondment AFAIK). I have three sisters and never laid a finger on any of them (although took a kicking or two).

I still don't support gender discrimination - nor do I agree it's even remotely effective at helping reduce violence against women (or children) or minimising harm and breaking cycles of violence.

Even-handed means reasonable, evidence-based, justified proportionality (plus NOT only including evidence from organisations with stated explicitly gender discriminatory charters and purpose - which Australian policy generally does).

The evidence basis proves that ignoring female violence is NOT helping reduce violence against females and in fact, the gender-based approach (particularly a disproportionate one is counterproductive). Anyway, you're clearly locked in your ideological position, so there's probably little point continuing discussion.

Re: Violence Against Women in Papua New Guinea

#46

Post by dlmetcalf »

vacri wrote: post #34
dlmetcalf wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "And you know something? \"So what\"? So what if women get this one in their favour? Who really gives a fuck? " Maybe the rest of the family of kids who women bludgeoned to death, burnt alive, cut into pieces, stuffed down drains etc (all recent cases here). Maybe also the guys who've been stabbed a few too many times, hit in the back of the head with frying pans, etc. p.s. Hospital record audits show extremely sim…

> You are making the mistake of assuming that DV is only represented by homicide counts. I'm just going to quote myself here. You're both arguing from outliers and arguing from emotion. Hell, fuck it. You win. The anti-DV campaign should stop because it's not completely even-handed. Fuck those infants beaten to death because their dads can't hear the footy. We should close down all the battered women's shelters as we…

> '52% is an outlier'

[single quotes added, because paraphrased, not quote]

Okaay.

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