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All the best advice we could find on how to get a job

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Re: All the best advice we could find on how to get a job

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Please get rid of the annoying "this will only take a second" popup, I was reading but closed the window immediately when that shit started.

Sorry about that. I find popups annoying too. Unfortunately we just find we get a way higher conversion to the newsletter when we use popups, and since people need to engage over several months to get value out of the advice, getting people onto the newsletter is really important.

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Re: All the best advice we could find on how to get a job

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In this case, you could still work for free, as a volunteer at a charity. Or attend user group meetings and give presentations. That is one way to increase your network.

> Or attend user group meetings and give presentations. You realize the article specifically highlighted that as one of the bad pieces of advice proffered on the Internet.

I don't see that in there -- I see where it mentions about writing blog posts is bad advice, so this may be similar. However, I don't think they are saying it is bad per se, just that it won't magically land you a job.

However, presenting in front of a peer group does do a couple things. First, you have to prepare, which helps you realize what skill you actually have. Secondly you end up building a lot of self confidence, especially on the topics that you are presenting on.

Which in my case somehow worked major magic. When I was last unemployed for about 4 months, I seemed to have flubbed a couple interviews. Well, I went to some Linux user group meetings, presented on a couple technical topics I was passionate about, and then offered to help anyone with problems that they were having on any of their environments (this was related to things like iptables configurations, clustering, virtualization, etc). The following week I went into an interview, and it was like I was watching myself on auto-pilot. Identifying problems and offering possible solutions, picking up on what was working or not based on body language, dynamically adjusting my message to fit what the interviewer was looking for, and I landed the job and started the next day.

Re: All the best advice we could find on how to get a job

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Sorry about that. I find popups annoying too. Unfortunately we just find we get a way higher conversion to the newsletter when we use popups, and since people need to engage over several months to get value out of the advice, getting people onto the newsletter is really important.

Why don't you offer the content all at once instead of dividing it into 9 weeks of 15-minute chunks once a week? I'd rather spend the 2 hours to read all of it at once, instead of having to wait 9 weeks to read it.

Hey tbirdz, sorry if this was unclear but you can read the whole thing whenever you like by starting here and just going through: https://80000hours.org/career-guide/

Or you can watch the whole thing starting here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VRL-ByuQuo&list=PL-BRtcBm4Y...

Most people don't have time all at once and report wanting to do it in a few sessions.

Where on the site wasn't sufficiently direct about that? :)

Re: All the best advice we could find on how to get a job

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One thing in this article that really caught my eye was "Do free work". When I was a young kid I remember my grandfather, who was about to retire from a long career at the power utility having been head of the union, and much beloved by all his coworkers and managers, told me about how he got that job. He had been laid off at a grain mill, and was getting by as a butcher. But a friend of his got him in the door to se…

It's illegal to work for free today, unless you're a Congressional intern, since they exempted themselves from the law. Lots of "my grandfather..." stories are illegal in today's US, land of freedom and such.

As a recent graduate, I know many people who used the "free work for a short term" method to get in the door for a new job. It isn't going to work at very large companies, but at startups and agencies, absolutely. "Illegal" sure, but a smart manager wouldn't turn down a chance to get a great look at a potential employee

Re: All the best advice we could find on how to get a job

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It's illegal to work for free today, unless you're a Congressional intern, since they exempted themselves from the law. Lots of "my grandfather..." stories are illegal in today's US, land of freedom and such.

What about free internships?

In the US, unpaid internships are only legal when they pass a six-part test. Generally, if the intern is doing stuff that benefits the company the internship must be paid. http://smallbusiness.findlaw.com/employment-law-and-human-re... lists the six-part test

Re: All the best advice we could find on how to get a job

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It's illegal to work for free today, unless you're a Congressional intern, since they exempted themselves from the law. Lots of "my grandfather..." stories are illegal in today's US, land of freedom and such.

What about free internships?

If an intern is 'working' for free, then it's considered educational. They're not allowed to contribute materially to the business. For example, I can have an unpaid intern shadow me and watch what I do all day, but I can't put any code they write into production.

Re: All the best advice we could find on how to get a job

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It's illegal to work for free today, unless you're a Congressional intern, since they exempted themselves from the law. Lots of "my grandfather..." stories are illegal in today's US, land of freedom and such.

What about free internships?

As I understand it, many of the internships that happen today don't meet the (U.S.) legal requirements, but neither party (the intern nor the company) is complaining.

Basically, the intern is supposed to be learning a trade with some incidental work output, and what really happens is that they are given junior-level labor and some guidance and pointers (i.e. the same thing you'd do with a PAID junior level worker).

Re: All the best advice we could find on how to get a job

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Wow, I feel for you, having been there myself a number of times. The playing field is so stacked against applicants it's not even funny. One thing though: > I've done literally hundreds of phone interviews, had 7 different on-site interviews, and received offers from 2 of them (both of which I rejected because they asked me to accept compensation/benefits packages that were substantially worse than what I had when la…

There are a few reasons why I didn't agree regarding places that I've turned down. First, if the family situation continues to require on-going financial resources from me (likely), then it's literally not sustainable for me to accept an offer where the compensation/benefits are substantially worse than what I earned previously. Yes, if the situation becomes dire enough, I may have to, but until it does become dire,…

> There are a few reasons why I didn't agree regarding places that I've turned down. First, if the family situation continues to require on-going financial resources from me (likely), then it's literally not sustainable for me to accept an offer where the compensation/benefits are substantially worse than what I earned previously.

Maybe I haven't had enough caffeine for the day. However, even if the new job doesn't even cover your expenses, isn't some income better than no income? Unless you are using your current free time to gain something.

Re: All the best advice we could find on how to get a job

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I've been unemployed for about 14 months since resigning from my most recent role -- a role which my close family and friends characterized as "destroying me." After becoming unemployed, with enough savings to sustain myself for a long search, I then faced a significant family trauma that required me to move away from Boston (where I had lived and worked for most of the past decade), back home to do basically full-ti…

Hello,

Sorry to read about all those issues. I can't offer you a job but I think I can help you in some way. My email is in my profile, please get in touch!

Good luck!

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