Solution is very simple, hire one HTML/CSS/Accessibility expert and one js/angular/react dev...
80 front-end job applications – nearly no one had basic HTML/CSS/A11y skills
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Re: 80 front-end job applications – nearly no one had basic HTML/CSS/A11y skills
#42Reminds me of a fullstack bootcamp graduate I once worked with. I asked him to make a javascript interactive map (literally, copying an example from bl.ocks, but change the data file) just as a test...and after a whole day, he couldn't get it to work. But when he instantiated an entire Rails project and copy-paste the HTML inside of it as its own page, he was able to get it to work.
Re: 80 front-end job applications – nearly no one had basic HTML/CSS/A11y skills
#43Funny that he's criticizing applicants for the perceived lack of knowledge of web accessibility and the neglect of aria usage and yet in the same post, not a single reference to either « aria-labelledby » or « aria-describedby » could be found in the markup.
"People living in glass houses, ...."
Re: 80 front-end job applications – nearly no one had basic HTML/CSS/A11y skills
#44What the heck is "A11y"? I've never heard of that.
Apparently a non-accessible way of writing Accessibility.
Re: 80 front-end job applications – nearly no one had basic HTML/CSS/A11y skills
#45"Candidates don't know the details I like most as much as I do so I reject them"
That's like you alienate people
Re: 80 front-end job applications – nearly no one had basic HTML/CSS/A11y skills
#46At 80 people it might start being the time to question whether its really everyone else thats unskilled or your approach to evaluation is wrong. Asking a pop quiz of arbitrary tools / techniques that you happen to have remember really isn't a good way to evaluate if someone is a good developer. I am a good developer and I only just remember what clearfix is, I most certainly couldnt explain how it works.
If "Hire for how they learn, not what they know" was followed, I'm sure there would be a better success rate than 0%.
Re: 80 front-end job applications – nearly no one had basic HTML/CSS/A11y skills
#47What the heck is "A11y"? I've never heard of that.
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Re: 80 front-end job applications – nearly no one had basic HTML/CSS/A11y skills
#48At 80 people it might start being the time to question whether its really everyone else thats unskilled or your approach to evaluation is wrong. Asking a pop quiz of arbitrary tools / techniques that you happen to have remember really isn't a good way to evaluate if someone is a good developer. I am a good developer and I only just remember what clearfix is, I most certainly couldnt explain how it works.
Agreed. I understand missing accessibility (either you have ARIA or you don't), but what does "solid markup skills" mean? The differences between many tags is just user agent stylesheet defaults. If I wanted to be extra crazy, I could build a website using alone. Or maybe I am just a bad developer.
> I could build a website using alone.
Then my scraper that reads headlines on your website with `//(h1|h2|h3)` will not work. And I will not be able to read and linearize your tabular data. And plenty of other things. (Things you probably do not care about.)
Oh, and you website will have no links (the `href` attribute of `` is not simulable via CSS).
Re: 80 front-end job applications – nearly no one had basic HTML/CSS/A11y skills
#49At 80 people it might start being the time to question whether its really everyone else thats unskilled or your approach to evaluation is wrong. Asking a pop quiz of arbitrary tools / techniques that you happen to have remember really isn't a good way to evaluate if someone is a good developer. I am a good developer and I only just remember what clearfix is, I most certainly couldnt explain how it works.
It doesn't even sound like he interviewed the candidates at all.
> Although I only had the chance to review their personal websites or github profiles and this might of course not be a full show-off of their knowledge, it assured my lately developed opinion on web developers.
Apparently because people's personal projects weren't developed with accessibility in mind he concluded that developers don't know HTML/CSS.
Re: 80 front-end job applications – nearly no one had basic HTML/CSS/A11y skills
#50Demanding candidates understand the specifics of HTML/CSS use in your particular business context does not afford you the podium you've given yourself to castigate all the new developers starting/learning the vast world of web architecture. Have some sympathy, buddy.