There's been a lot of talk about hipsters in these comments. Could somebody explain to me, in any concrete terms, what the hell a hipster is?
Didn't think so.
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#392Hipster-hate strikes me as just another thinly veiled form of bullying, and it's interesting to see how readily internet nerds - the people who are disproportionately to have been bullied in the past - engage in it. Look! He's different! Let's make assumptions about his motivations and get him! It's also interesting to see how many times Reddit (and other communities) fly into a rage-fest because of lack of context,…
While I agree with some of what you are saying and I don't join in hipster hate, I think this is the main thing:
Any self-righteous style that tries to come off as cool and aloof that seem ridiculous to others is going to be made fun of. It doesn't matter what it is. Portlandia makes fun of hipsters. Zoolander made fun of high fashion.
Be yourself first and foremost: type on an old typewriter in the park, wear RPGs even though you were never formerly in the military, drink double Doppios from non-chain coffee shops, and break up with a girl because she said PETA stood for People Eating Tasty Animals. But being made fun of comes with that game.
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#393One more reason to unsubscribe from all of the default reddits.
There's quality stuff on reddit, but's buried several degrees away from the frontpage subs.
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#394But... he is a hipster. I don't hate hipsters because they're different: I hate them because they're the contemporary version of dandies.
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#395Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes. Yes yes yes yes yes . Instead, we as human beings should stop the abuse. you can't be serious. Tell me, how do you intend to elevate the bottom 0.1% of humanity? If you pretend like it doesn't exist, you will get burned. If you didn't know and you got burned, then you have my sympathies, but there is nothing that can be done.
What you are advocating is the continued abuse of victims because they should have known better. Your defense of this is that you can't do anything to prevent bullies or abusers. Here's why that's wrong. 1. 'there is nothing that can be done' There's lots of things that can be done; they're just not things you care about, or things you want to help with. That doesn't mean things can't be done. We can educate people o…
You might not be entirely aware of the scope of the problem. When I said the bottom 0.1%, I was being generous.
How much social education do you think it takes to make socipaths not sociopaths? I am asserting a fact. Most actual bullies are really just mildly, or even completely socipathic. and socipaths can not be cured.
Anti-social factors that manifest as socipaths have an incidence of about 1/100 in any given population. So of the several hundred people you saw on the street today? Maybe 2 of them would have no problem stabbing you in the back for a nickel. The population of my town suggests that approximately 2,300 residents are socipathic. My school likely had ~15 sociopathic kids. I've personally known 2. What kind of education regime did you have in mind?
and about the hipsters: For every innocent caught in the crossfire of ridicule, there's at least a thousand more narcissistic children who were just attention seekers. They posted online about how important they were, and were ridiculed for it. That process was necessary. People need humility. The Subject of this article emulated those children exactly. Whether he deserved it or not, that's what happened.
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#396I, myself, would have started, and stopped, with the last sentence: I prefer to let these little cesspools of cyberspace fester and then stagnate, forgotten as they should be, secure in the knowledge that I am doing something that matters to me. As reddit is nothing other than a festering cesspool of cyberspace.
There are good corners of reddit
Yes, I’ve met some relatively decent neo-Nazis too.
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#397Earlier quoted context omitted.
I literally wanted to end my comment by talking about "haters" and the people who talk about "haters" in a very nasty way, but since the guy I was criticizing didn't refer to "haters," I felt that was unfair and putting words in his mouth. To not rant: the fact that someone criticizes you is not a sign of a quality that they hold of being a criticizer , When people criticize you, they are criticizing you , and if you…
Very often people have their perceptions distorted by their emotions. When someone calls someone a "hater" they are saying that the "hater" is a person who lets their perceptions get distorted by hate, or some other source of negativity that is being channeled into hatefulness. Usually that accusation is justified. Even if the complaint itself is reasonable, in most cases, the act of complaining is not. For example,…
A lot of people go one step further and justify their hate though. Preferences have real world results. An individual's actions might incur a social or financial penalty or risk on others. Some examples:
- "I hate people who listen to X music because it gets supported financially, while band that I prefer like Y are barely able to make ends meet"
- "I hate people who are fat because their poor health choices will add stress to the health care system and (in case of most health care systems) increase my health care cost burden"
- "I hate people who use X software tool; if only they used Y, the community would be larger, the amount of quality tools would go up, etc."
- "I hate people who go around begging for money X location. The presence of homeless can destroy property values, and reduce how many people come to visit local businesses, harming the local economy."
- "I hate the guys who only use girls for one night stands. It breaks their hearts and makes them less trusting and less approachable for all the guys who aren't like that."
- "I hate people who vote for political party X. If only they voted for Y, everything would be so much better in my country."
The problem is people don't go to the next step: realizing that their emotion of hate is more harmful then helpful, and seeking out more productive solutions. Hate, at best, can be used to shame people into social compliance, but in our modern world, a person can generally find a subculture where they are accepted and not shamed, which largely mitigates this utility. All that is left is the effect of hate making us less empathetic, less willing to cooperate, more predisposed to make irrational choices, more stressed and so on.
So basically, if you are hating on people, I don't hate you. I just wish you would think really carefully about what the cost and benefits of the act are for yourself and for society, and then practice managing those emotions more wisely in the future. For that reason I offer this text forth.
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#398I think this is a pretty good summary of why hipsters are such an object of ridicule: http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/17/how-to-live-...
I could not actually extract a single argument for why it would be OK to dislike hipsters. This is poor written even for the standards of people trying to rationalize irrational emotions. The best I can find is "hipsters cannot talk about important issues, and prevent societal progress", which I somehow have a difficult time seeing any reason to believe, but I guess it is a reason.
Its just social signaling. Like much social signaling, it works better if it upsets preexisting social norms. Its really not that complicated.
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#399Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Bullying on the internet is trivial, you arn't trapped, you arn't forced into these situations. You can hide if you want to. Yeah, just stop going online, it's so simple! I know almost your entire social life is online, and the identities we create online are increasingly hard-linked to our real life identities, but all you have to do is exclude yourself from everything that you enjoy doing online and you'll be fin…
Now you know exactly why hard-linking your life online is such a horrifying thing to do. You expose yourself to humanity. Bottom 0.1% included. There's lots to do online that doesn't require a hard link to real life, and everything that does require a hard link should be looked at with the most rigorous of scrutiny and suspicion.
tell that to a 14 year old when all her friends are on example.com, the hip new place that just needs your real name to log in.
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Whose lawn is it?
Not his either? Before he yells at others to get off it, he should get off it himself. He is making a baseless judgement about an entire age group because he thinks that age group makes baseless judgments. The lack of self awareness is ludicrous.
Can't we all just /share the lawn/?!