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Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by zer01 »

mcherm wrote: post #199
fosap wrote: post #112

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>I really do regret the comment and how it made Adria feel. Boldly speaking, you are a moron. She might feel offended, but i don't think she has any right to be upset. https://twitter.com/adriarichards/status/312265091791847425 >@skwashd you should put something in your pants next time...like a bunch of socks inside one...large...sock. TSA agent faint

> [...] you are a moron Please go away and take your name-calling someplace else. I prefer Hacker News to be a location for civil dialog.

Seriously? You're going to let the fact that he called someone a moron overshadow the fact that he points out her blatant hypocrisy over this entire thing?

It's apparently alright for women to make sexual references in a public setting (e.g. Twitter), but when men do it amongst themselves in a crowd it's just wrong?

Did she ever once say "Hey guys, can you keep it down?" or how about "Your jokes are making me un-comfortable, please stop."? Nope, instead she tries to get people to take out their pitchforks and torches. This is what she does.

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by cheez »

KuraFire wrote: post #376
bherms wrote: post #334

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I would almost contend there are grounds for a defamation/libel (something... not a lawyer) suit here as well considering her comments have severely hurt his reputation and caused him to lose his job.

Cheez and bherms: neither of you guys understand the legal system very well, do you?

Well, this is "Hacker News" and not "Groklaw". There needs to be some recourse to the public accusation. If I was him, I would have just "noped" my way out of it.

Nope, I never said it.

Nope, she misheard me.

Nope.

Nope.

Nope.

Fuck you, pay me.

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by cheez »

littlegiantcap wrote: post #367
cheez wrote: post #296

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Your inability to take a joke is dangerous for the public image of whichever company you're evangelizing for. And this after you make "sock down your pants" jokes on Twitter. The irony is delicious. I hope the OP sues you for reproducing his likeness without his permission. PyCon is, after all, a private gathering.

She works for Sendgrid.

Ah, I hope they realize what a liability they have on their hands. For example, imagine if a developer ACCIDENTALLY looked at her while walking by.

Can you say sexual harassment lawsuit?

LOL. This woman is bad news.

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

tylerhwillis wrote: post #388
nawitus wrote: post #373

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"However, you are very selectively choosing facts to draw a picture in which men "have the same amount of gender equality issues (maybe even more) than women"." I'm not, really. Feminist discourse is based on the claim that women have more gender issues. They never really argue for that position. I've linked a list of gender equality issues (though my primary source is unfortunately not in English). Here's a book on…

>do women get raped more than men (not in USA) This is very wrong. The link you provide in the original comment is for violent crimes (including rape), not for rape alone. There is little doubt that women are more likely to be raped in the US than men. Here's a relevant study from the Bureau of Justice Statistics: http://bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=1146 "Overall, an estimated 91% of the victims of rape and sexu…

>"Overall, an estimated 91% of the victims of rape and sexual assault were female." //

It may not change the ratio but of course one must remember that is "victims of rape and sexual assaults that were reported and recorded as such".

The study linked, (text version http://bjs.gov/content/pub/ascii/SOO.TXT) says only a third of the rapes reported to them were reported to police and in my cursory glance I couldn't see how many of those reported led to a conviction and how many led to a dismissal of charges, etc..

However I did notice this:

"In 1994 victims reported about 1 rape/sexual assault victimization of a female victim for every 270 females in the general population; for males, the rate was substantially lower, with about 1 rape/sexual assault of a male victim for every 5,000 male residents age 12 or older."

It's often joked on certain forums, eg reddit, that men who're incarcerated are likely to suffer rape (I'd guess women do too but the jokes are always concerning men it seems). I wonder how true that is and how well these figures reflect those crimes.

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by bloodyyourcunts »

ISL wrote: post #339
uwotm8 wrote: post #329

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She smiled at you as she took the photo, gave you no warning? No, don't apologize. She's a total bitch. A cis-scum Jewish-Nigger-Feminist Bitch. I'm on my way right now to her place to slit her. >1043 Valencia St, Apt 5 San Francisco, CA 94110-2478 >(415)-409-9557 >415 is San Francisco.

Does HN have a 'Flag Death Threat' tickbox? It would be appropriate to submit the poster's contact information to the San Francisco police, and perhaps the FBI. In the meantime, please flag the parent's post into oblivion. To do so, click 'reply' to the parent's post. Above the text entry field is a link that says 'flag'.

stfu fagget yu don't even know what your talking about, go shit up another internet

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by askien »

metaphorm wrote: post #372
SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #369

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> The "big dongle" statement was not in any way a 'sexist joke'. It was an anatomical joke that is, as they say in British politics, a distinction without a difference.

false. a sexist jokes is a joke that tries to find humor in the degradation of women. a joke using a puerile nickname for a penis does not find humor in the degradation of women. it finds humor (very little humor, in my opinion) in a juvenile notion that euphemisms for male genitals are funny.

FALSE. A sexist joke is a joke that tries to find humor in the degradation of one of the genders.

Why do you assume sexism consists in degradation of _women_? That, itself, is sexist, as most feminists are. Sexist and hypocritical.

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by btilly »

tylerhwillis wrote: post #388
nawitus wrote: post #373

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"However, you are very selectively choosing facts to draw a picture in which men "have the same amount of gender equality issues (maybe even more) than women"." I'm not, really. Feminist discourse is based on the claim that women have more gender issues. They never really argue for that position. I've linked a list of gender equality issues (though my primary source is unfortunately not in English). Here's a book on…

>do women get raped more than men (not in USA) This is very wrong. The link you provide in the original comment is for violent crimes (including rape), not for rape alone. There is little doubt that women are more likely to be raped in the US than men. Here's a relevant study from the Bureau of Justice Statistics: http://bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=1146 "Overall, an estimated 91% of the victims of rape and sexu…

For rapes outside of prison, yes.

Rapes inside of prison are almost all male on male, and there is evidence suggesting that the numbers of such are comparable to and may exceed rapes outside of prison. So it is not impossible that the majority of rape victims in the USA are men.

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by askien »

adriarichards wrote: post #27
mr-hank wrote: post #23

Hi, I'm the guy who made a comment about big dongles. First of all I'd like to say I'm sorry. I really did not mean to offend anyone and I really do regret the comment and how it made Adria feel. She had every right to report me to staff, and I defend her position. However, there is another side to this story. While I did make a big dongle joke about a fictional piece hardware that identified as male, no sexual jokes…

Hey, Thanks for speaking up, contributing your viewpoint on HN and not attacking me. I'm sorry to hear your employer deciding to not to work with you on this and I hope they reconsider, bring you back on and dealing with it constructively. For context, I'm a developer evangelist. That means I'm an advocate for developers, male and female. While I hear abou demanding bosses with impossible deadlines for product launch…

You can tell sexist jokes on twitter (a far more public place) but when overhear two people having a private joke, you use your public image to SHAME these people and ultimately cost, at least one of them, their job.

You acted with malice and deception as you took their picture smiling. Nice nice nice! :) You should be in politics!

You are damaging Sendgrid's image by making a complete fool out of yourself in public...

I find your actions disgusting. My personal opinion of you is VERY low. I won't use Sendgrid's products anymore. How's that for an overreaction?

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by askien »

enr wrote: post #269
mr-hank wrote: post #23

Hi, I'm the guy who made a comment about big dongles. First of all I'd like to say I'm sorry. I really did not mean to offend anyone and I really do regret the comment and how it made Adria feel. She had every right to report me to staff, and I defend her position. However, there is another side to this story. While I did make a big dongle joke about a fictional piece hardware that identified as male, no sexual jokes…

Dude, you have nothing to apologize for. I understand why you feel like you do, I would to, but you don't. She took the liberty to be offended over something not directed at her, at your expense. By doing so she caused great damage, not only screwing you over greatly but also doing a huge disservice to the struggle for equality within the tech industry. I realize women have to put up with a lot of crap. I'm often fla…

Agreed!

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by emereld »

adriarichards wrote: post #27
mr-hank wrote: post #23

Hi, I'm the guy who made a comment about big dongles. First of all I'd like to say I'm sorry. I really did not mean to offend anyone and I really do regret the comment and how it made Adria feel. She had every right to report me to staff, and I defend her position. However, there is another side to this story. While I did make a big dongle joke about a fictional piece hardware that identified as male, no sexual jokes…

Hey, Thanks for speaking up, contributing your viewpoint on HN and not attacking me. I'm sorry to hear your employer deciding to not to work with you on this and I hope they reconsider, bring you back on and dealing with it constructively. For context, I'm a developer evangelist. That means I'm an advocate for developers, male and female. While I hear abou demanding bosses with impossible deadlines for product launch…

Allow me to make a small addendum. You are not a 'developer evangelist' you are an 'arbitrary evangelist'. You've applied internal frustration in a seemingly random manner and you refuse to see it.

I think you've gone too far to apologise now, but you should try and think hard about whether you were right at all to do this.

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