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Is this the end of the once-mighty GoPro?

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Re: Is this the end of the once-mighty GoPro?

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Yes, I am well aware of the definition of dumping - that fails to explain why people cannot buy them. If they're being dumped there is an oversupply, and people are spoilt for choice. The market is awash with the dumped product. Not being able to buy them is the exact reverse of that.

The entire point of anti-dumping actions is that left unregulated, people will buy these unsubsidized cars.

Right - your comment was very poorly articulated - and loaded with supposition.

Your claim is that the reason people cannot buy the vehicles ISN'T because they are being dumped BUT because the government SAYS they are being dumped and has therefore actively prevented them from being sold.

The supposition is that it's an accurate claim by the governments - there are reports that the Chinese manufacturers are being restricted by their government and that there has been a period of over production, but how much of that is true and how much is propaganda is very difficult to actually ascertain.

Re: Is this the end of the once-mighty GoPro?

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>Didn't they bring hundreds of millions out of poverty, and built amazing cities and facilities in the past 30 years? So did the western world. Ask Poland, the Baltics and East Germany if they want communism back. I'll wait. :) I am so tired of the praise of China online while condemning the west. Worst part is you probably live in the west. *Nono, dont reply, just downvote instead :)

Did that comment indicate any condemnation of the west? What I'm tired of is zero-sum jingoistic nationalism of any kind. Can we just be happy for all of the world to prosper? edit: I didn't downvote you but it's probably the uncalled-for cynicism.

Nationalism is a cancer

Re: Is this the end of the once-mighty GoPro?

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China is not Iron Curtain countries dominated by the USSR. to compare China to Poland has no merit. China has built high speed rail, a quality universal health care system, and huge tech and mfg sectors. It most certainly is orders of magnitude above East Germany, and not even the same type of socialism. There are good things about the West and good things about China, it’s not as simple as “our side good”.

China is still a dictatorship who massacred its own people despite building high speed rail... They only got it good when the USA opened relations in the 80s something they never did with Soviet. China does not have universal health care. China helps Russia invade Ukraine. That is simple. Unless you like that too? Also, where do people want to live? North EU. Yet when we keep our lands people call us racist.

And the US calls itself a democracy and kills innocent people abroad.

I don't see any merit in these simplistic world views.

The world isn't Lord of the Rings, it's more A Song Of Ice And Fire.

Re: Is this the end of the once-mighty GoPro?

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China is still a dictatorship who massacred its own people despite building high speed rail... They only got it good when the USA opened relations in the 80s something they never did with Soviet. China does not have universal health care. China helps Russia invade Ukraine. That is simple. Unless you like that too? Also, where do people want to live? North EU. Yet when we keep our lands people call us racist.

And the US calls itself a democracy and kills innocent people abroad. I don't see any merit in these simplistic world views. The world isn't Lord of the Rings, it's more A Song Of Ice And Fire.

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Re: Is this the end of the once-mighty GoPro?

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Absolutely true. But China’s industrial dominance is also the government immiserating its people, just in a different way. Domestic consumption in China is famously low, work culture is famously bad (996,etc). And this is because of what their government, not the people of China, have chosen to do.

> But China’s industrial dominance is also the government immiserating its people Didn't they bring hundreds of millions out of poverty, and built amazing cities and facilities in the past 30 years? > Domestic consumption in China is famously low Compared to what, the US? Compared to China is at a historical high, isn't it? And they're doing quite well even compared to like 70% of the world and rising.

For bringing people out of poverty, they had laminated placards attached to the doors of people who were poor, and the name of the government official who was responsible for lifting that family out of poverty, and if that government official failed at it, they wouldn't advance in their career.

Re: Is this the end of the once-mighty GoPro?

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Which industries are the US leading in because of subsidies?

Arms, weapons, fighter jets and so on. The US sounds a trillion $ a year subsidizing the military industrial complex. The US chose their market (arms). The Chinese chose consumer goods. Go figure.

US Arms exports bring in around $13 billion a year. The military industrial complex is a domestic jobs program that sells the vast majority of what it makes domestically. The US is clearly not spending a trillion dollars a year subsidizing defense in order to make their products more competitive in other markets.

https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/rankings/arms_exports/

Re: Is this the end of the once-mighty GoPro?

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The entire point of anti-dumping actions is that left unregulated, people will buy these unsubsidized cars.

Right - your comment was very poorly articulated - and loaded with supposition. Your claim is that the reason people cannot buy the vehicles ISN'T because they are being dumped BUT because the government SAYS they are being dumped and has therefore actively prevented them from being sold. The supposition is that it's an accurate claim by the governments - there are reports that the Chinese manufacturers are being res…

I don't know what you're trying to say here. I don't think there's a serious dispute about whether China is dumping EVs, and the US isn't the only place claiming that.

Re: Is this the end of the once-mighty GoPro?

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Is it? The car dealership near where I grew up had a 100 foot tall pole with a Canadian flag at least 10 feet wide, probably more. And that's a car dealership... Flags were everywhere: gyms, offices, banks, schools, etc... Can't say I toured any factories to specifically know if they were there, but I'm guessing yes. Of course now it's different, the flag is less common, to the point in my home province (Alberta) you…

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So we Americans love our kickass flag…so what? It wasn’t until relatively recent times that it became intertwined with whatever the fuck our current president stands for (for the next 12 seconds).

I’ve had a US flag up on my house for the past 15 years. This country has been good to the son of European immigrants. It’s far from perfect but I love my country. Meanwhile my European cousins, aunts and uncles are scraping by.

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