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Re: FCC wants to kill burner phones by forcing telecoms to get all customers' IDs

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Post by fqwelfkj »

cyberax wrote: post #226
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There is a level of detail that isn't practical to include in law. Isn't this the argument against unelected rulemaking? Suppose administrative agencies worked like this: They draft rules and then periodically submit them to Congress who decides whether to enact them. For uncontroversial changes this is essentially a rubber stamp, Congress defers to the experts' recommendations and passes the proposed rules. But no…

Congresspeople (or local legislators) do not have the expertise to evaluate the rules. Or even bandwidth. For example, the NEC is around 800 pages and is extremely technical. That's why these minutiae are delegated to agencies. But Congress can step in at _any_ point and override the decisions of individual agencies. The rulemaking process is also _extremely_ slow on purpose, giving Congress plenty of time to act.

Congress can establish advisory bodies within the legislative branch [1] to grow and maintain technical expertise on a variety of matters. Splitting the current regulatory agencies into enforcement agencies under the executive and advisory bodies under Congress, together with expanding the number of seats in the House [2], would do a lot to improve the balance of power among the branches.

[1] The Congressional Budget Office is an example. (https://www.cbo.gov/)

[2] Laws have to go through a committee process before going to the floor; with more bodies, the committees could handle more work. Expanding the House would also make each seat less of a prize, reducing (but not eliminating) the impulse to gerrymander. Such an expansion would probably need to be accompanied by a serious conversation with the Capitol architect.

Re: FCC wants to kill burner phones by forcing telecoms to get all customers' IDs

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Post by everdrive »

doubled112 wrote: post #310
autoexec wrote: post #220

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I'm not Amish, but if I walk into a restaurant where they won't show me a menu without scanning a QR code, I walk right out.

I’m with you there, I probably would too. But when your child is late to school but they won’t allow you in until you scan the QR code and fill in a form? Do you stand and wait hoping to be noticed? Hoping to tailgate somebody with a phone? Just head home? The school also sends general communications only by app.

Just think about your comment if we ever see for-real 1940s-style fascism at the same time we have all these stupid tracking devices on us all the time. If we made it through to better times people have no idea how so many people could have so easily and freely given up their privacy and freedom. With no fight whatsoever. Giving it up gladly. Hoping even more freedom could be taken from them so they could be just a little bit more comfortable.

Re: FCC wants to kill burner phones by forcing telecoms to get all customers' IDs

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Post by classified »

toast0 wrote: post #85

Great. As if telecoms can be trusted with customers' id. AT&T left my name, address, social security etc in an improperly secured database for others to have, and they tried to open accounts with it; they had retained the information after I closed my account, and they denied the information was coming from them for years before they finally admitted it and gave us all a quarter to call someone who cares and a year o…

The incentives to become a career criminal get bigger every day.

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Post by Tangurena2 »

trumpdong wrote: post #306
tonetegeatinst wrote: post #290

Pretty sure that this would just encourage privacy minded folks to find a loophole. Or if you get fed up enough you just start blasting FM transmissions without a license..... Keep the burst short enough while your mobile and don't make the transmitter obvious and you could probably get away with it for short SMS comms. Or just use something like lora or meshtastic/meshcore

The loophole is to use a homeless person's ID for $20. Wait. In the US don't they not even have an ID standard? The homeless person probably doesn't have any valid ID and neither do members of several other disenfranchised groups, right? So now they're not allowed to have cellphone service?

Some states allow homeless people to get IDs. Some do not. My state outlawed homelessness in last year's Crime Bill - the charge is now called "unlawful camping" and it outlawed cities from having zones where people are allowed to camp unless they basically create something like a KOA campground (and outlawed using tax money to do so).

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Post by Tangurena2 »

trumpdong wrote: post #313
hnav wrote: post #234

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They'll just add regulation that requires KYC for roaming agreements.

So basically people from Africa won't be allowed to use their phones in the USA by order of the government? (If they can even get into the country without ending up in an ICE camp, of course)

That will be a feature and not considered a bug.

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Post by jerf »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #215
jerf wrote: post #178

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"This doesn't sound to me at all like how a democratic country is supposed to function." There is a family of interesting theories, or perhaps if you prefer, simply a way of looking at history in which you don't consider the "United States" as a single governance structure that has existed back to 1776, but as a series of related, but distinct entities with distinct "social contracts" (a term laden with some philosop…

> how much worse off would it be if we still "representatives per person" numbers from 1776 and had a Congress of many thousands? Isn't that actually a major cause of the trouble? You expect Congress to deal with more and more complexities but limit the number of people (i.e. experts) who are members of it, causing them all to be generalists and moreover to have to spend more of their time campaigning rather than deb…

It doesn't matter if Congress has 5% of them who are actually engineers when 95% of the vote must inevitably come from non-engineers. Not that "engineer" is even enough. Just because I'm an "engineer" doesn't mean I can opine meaningfully on a civil engineering project any more than a civil engineer knows any more about AI than a current Congress-person.

No matter what solution you try to apply to that problem, it's not going to be solved. Try to split the legislative branch into interests so that we don't need the full branch to vote? Massive problems. Try to create a culture where Congress defers to the interest groups who know? Massive problems. A pretty solid case could be made that we've simply scaled past what a legislative approach can reasonably address.

One of the reasons I tried to write my post neutrally is that the whole situation is pretty complicated. Less neutrally, I'm fairly aware of the issues of the technocratic state and its "experts" who really aren't but get given what is basically stolen valor. On the other hand, pointing out problems is easy, trying to propose solutions is much harder. To be honest I just keep coming back to, cultures get the government they deserve. If a culture views governance as primarily about duty and obligation and honor, the structure probably doesn't matter much. If a culture doesn't view it that way, you're going to get corruption and abuse. And unfortunately, while this is a continuum it isn't balanced; to get good government requires a very positive and widespread commitment to those ideals. It doesn't take much deviation at all before you get pretty widespread corruption. It doesn't need a culture that actively values power and what it can bring you, it just takes less than massive, widespread agreement that power is more duty than privilege. If the US ever had that culture, which is debatable but possible, it really doesn't anymore.

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Post by grim_io »

Nasrudith wrote: post #383
grim_io wrote: post #65

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Worse, we are becoming a burden. The Thiels of the world are already past wanting an obedient consumer. They don't need us for the utopia they imagine for themselves.

You're projecting harder than IMAX here with your conspiracy theory tropes. Remember it was the Bolsheviks who actually liquidated entire classes of people as 'useless parasites'.

You can listen to Thiel yourself and form your opinion, I don't have an agenda to change anyone's mind.

I do wonder though how you hallucinated me as a Bolshevik sympathiser.

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Post by rtkwe »

MyMemoryfails wrote: post #365
miohtama wrote: post #360

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You can. Finland forces operators to stop routing non-verified and spoofed numbers. Spam gone. https://www.tieto.com/en/cases/telecom/global-anti-fraud-mod...

As finn. I can verify scam calls are non-existent lately few do occasinally popup, but its like 2000 times better than before. When i learned about this originally, i was shocked like how this is not default?

Gotta remember the phone system used to run on electromechanical relays not digital systems and the digital upgrades since then were designed to be compatible with the old systems with common carrier rules requiring networks to route calls by default so blocking and verification weren't really built into any of the systems and interfaces between carriers.

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Post by simulator5g »

Tangurena2 wrote: post #382
simulator5g wrote: post #330

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This is a hilarious take

The latest Miasma/Shai-Hulud worm will not run if your development system has KOI8-R (Russian) as the primary language. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KOI8-R > Kill switch, as always with APT28 malware, is setting the host language to ru_RU.KOI8-R (LANG environment variable). That disables the spread mechanism. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48460507 Note: KOI8-U is Ukrainian and would still trigger the worm/tro…

So? If I were a US based malware dev that’s what I’d do to avoid detection…

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Post by troyvit »

mcmcmc wrote: post #88
bsimpson wrote: post #33

Here's the link to submit a comment to the FCC: https://www.fcc.gov/ecfs/filings/express Ran a quick search and found a whole bunch of news articles, but nobody includes info that makes it easy to route your comment. Feels like the beginning of Hitchhiker's Guide: > It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying Beware of the Leopard.

This is the specific proposed rule to reference: https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-seeks-comment-enhanced-know...

Use the docket-id from that link.
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