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Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

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Post by filoleg »

strangattractor wrote: post #285
bondarchuk wrote: post #167

All the weak excuses posted here are just making me lean more towards a hardline policy. No I don't want to read a human-generated summary of your llm brainstorming session. No I don't want to read human-written text with wording changes suggested by an llm. No I don't want to read an excerpt from llm output even if you correctly attribute it. I acknowledge this is partly just my personal bias, in some cases really n…

According to Citizens United corporations have free speech. LLMs are made by corporations. Are LLMs entitled to free speech?

To answer your question: LLMs don't have free speech, because they aren't companies/businesses, they are a tool (that is used by companies/businesses).

Whether a company/business uses an LLM or a real human to write a particular piece of text, that piece of text is entitled to free speech protections on the basis of the company signing off on it. Not on the basis of how that piece of writing was produced.

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

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Post by relaxing »

GMoromisato wrote: post #272

I'm here to read what actual humans think. If I wanted to read what an LLM thinks, I could just ask it. But here's where it gets tricky: Do I prefer low-effort, off-the-top-of-my-head reactions, as long as it is human? Or do I want an insightful, well-thought-out response, even if it is LLM-enhanced? Am I here to read authentic humans because I value authenticity for its own sake (like preferring Champagne instead of…

If you like reading LLM output, just talk directly to an LLM. Problem solved.

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

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Post by fluffybucktsnek »

bondarchuk wrote: post #167

All the weak excuses posted here are just making me lean more towards a hardline policy. No I don't want to read a human-generated summary of your llm brainstorming session. No I don't want to read human-written text with wording changes suggested by an llm. No I don't want to read an excerpt from llm output even if you correctly attribute it. I acknowledge this is partly just my personal bias, in some cases really n…

Dare I say, it is mostly your bias. I get not wanting to read raw or poorly reviewed LLM slop, but AI-edited comments? I thought the point was about having interesting discussions about unique ideas we come up with, not the surpeficial wording around it. If someone manages to keep the core of their idea mostly intact while making the presentation more readable, does it really matter that it was post-processed by an AI?

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

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Post by ThrowawayR2 »

cityofdelusion wrote: post #142
nkzd wrote: post #114

What if English is my second language? Undoubtedly being well spoken is associated with higher class. Your arguments will come of as stronger to the reader.

This effect is very rapidly vanishing. Well written English is starting to be seen as snobbish and AI-slop especially with younger generations growing up with AI. The human touch of someone’s real voice myself, rather than a false veneer will carry more weight very soon.

The "L" in LLM stands for "language". If they are unable to express themselves in English (or whatever their native language is) fluently, they won't be able to prompt LLMs fluently and will be, in the debased patois of modern youth, "cooked". It's a self-correcting problem.

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

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Post by Karrot_Kream »

rickcarlino wrote: post #162

How has Lobste.rs fared compared to HN in this regard? Lobste.rs is very similar to HN, but has an invite-only membership system.

In my experience every English-language online forum not rooted in some project or community external to the forum (e.g. an open source project's forum or a local club's forum) devolves into anger, cynicism, and American political partisanship. I suspect that the people who like discussing these feelings are more numerous than the spaces that want to discuss them and so any open forum fills up with their posts. Lobste.rs's unique rules and moderation culture results in a particular manifestation of symptoms but the disease is the same.

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

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Post by WarmWash »

Just speaking honestly

This rule actually says "Don't admit when you are using AI to generate comments and don't admit when you are an AI"

I know it's cynical, but this is as meaningful as reddit's "upvote/downvote is not an agree/disagree or like/dislike button"

People may hate that this is true, but I cannot logically reason out how a rule like this could work. I think it's better to just accept that AI is now part of the circle, until we can figure out a "human check".

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

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Post by Bender »

At some point might internet text will just be recognized as meaningless drivel both to bots and humans? a.k.a. dead internet theory... I am curious what organizations would benefit from this. i.e. Who lost legitimacy when the internet became a popular way for people to communicate ideas?

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

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Post by neutronicus »

caconym_ wrote: post #378
GMoromisato wrote: post #272

I'm here to read what actual humans think. If I wanted to read what an LLM thinks, I could just ask it. But here's where it gets tricky: Do I prefer low-effort, off-the-top-of-my-head reactions, as long as it is human? Or do I want an insightful, well-thought-out response, even if it is LLM-enhanced? Am I here to read authentic humans because I value authenticity for its own sake (like preferring Champagne instead of…

What is the value of this "output"? If I want to know what LLMs think about something, I can go ask an LLM any question I want. For a comment on [a site like] HN, either the substantive content of the comment originated inside a human mind, or there is no substantive content that I couldn't reproduce by feeding the comment's context into an LLM. At the extreme, I don't have any interest in reading or participating in…

They’re referencing LLM-enhanced output.

The value proposition is that someone who is a lousy writer (perhaps only in English) with deep domain knowledge is going back and forth with the LLM to express some insight or communicate some information that the LLM would not produce on its own.

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

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Post by rozal »

alpha_squared wrote: post #320
GMoromisato wrote: post #272

I'm here to read what actual humans think. If I wanted to read what an LLM thinks, I could just ask it. But here's where it gets tricky: Do I prefer low-effort, off-the-top-of-my-head reactions, as long as it is human? Or do I want an insightful, well-thought-out response, even if it is LLM-enhanced? Am I here to read authentic humans because I value authenticity for its own sake (like preferring Champagne instead of…

> Or do I want an insightful, well-thought-out response, even if it is LLM-enhanced? I'd argue that anything insightful or well-though-out doesn't use LLMs at all. We can quibble over whether discussions with an LLM lead to insightful responses, but that still isn't your own personal thought. Just type what's on your mind, it's not that hard and nitpicking over this is just looking for ways to open up unnecessary opp…

Often i think of a novel idea or solution to a problem, but use AI to communicate or adjust what I already wrote out so it’s more comprehensible. Sometimes when I write, it’s hard to understand.
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