Ignoring the fact itself, doing this in a single province and not the whole country is the really wild thing for me (as a European). I have opinions about DST but having it different per German state sounds much more horrible than anything we have now, no matter how complicated the rules are.
British Columbia is permanently adopting daylight time
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Re: British Columbia is permanently adopting daylight time
#392Ignoring the fact itself, doing this in a single province and not the whole country is the really wild thing for me (as a European). I have opinions about DST but having it different per German state sounds much more horrible than anything we have now, no matter how complicated the rules are.
Less of a problem in a county that is more or less laid out East to West with massive 500 mile wide provinces. British Columbia deciding to adopt Mountain Standard Time is more or less equivalent to Portugal using Berlin time.
Re: British Columbia is permanently adopting daylight time
#393Almost nowhere do you see the sun directly overhead at noon, even during Standard Time. The differences can be quite stark: https://24timezones.com/cms-static/images/uploads/solartimev... BC (and PST) is actually quite reasonable in this regard, with Vancouver and LA being fairly close to "on the money." Contrast that with China and Russia, where clock time can be 2h+ off from solar time. As a further note, this is o…
In Western Europe this is also quite pronounced. In Białystok, Poland, solar noon is at 11:39. In Vigo, Spain, it's at 13:46, . Being in favor of all-year DST (more sun in the evening is just nice), nice to see that those lucky Spaniards already have it and then some. Whatever the preference for the permanent time, abandoning the switching should be advocated by the software industry. I've yet to work at a company wh…
That sounds like an unnecessary EU standardization. Having the same timezone in Poland and Spain possibly made sense 30 years ago, but now that all communication goes through computers of one kind or another, time conversion is seamless.
For those companies that have offices in both countries, and for which the synchronicity matters, it is not that difficult to just have special office hours.
Re: British Columbia is permanently adopting daylight time
#394Earlier quoted context omitted.
Right, but where I live sunrise is in the middle of the night in the summer (around 03:30). Using standard time in the summer gives me one less hour of useful sunlight in the evening, and while it doesn't technically disappear it gets moved to where I can't use it because that's when I sleep. It's the same for people further south as well, another bright hour in the early morning before they wake up is a wasted brigh…
Optimizing for summer is silly. Summer gets lots of daylight already. We need to optimize for winter.
The extra hour of daylight in the evening on summer time is even more valuable in the winter.
Re: British Columbia is permanently adopting daylight time
#395Earlier quoted context omitted.
> ”Kids walking, biking, and being driven to school in mornings in darkness ... that's also what permanent DST gives us.” Can’t schools just open 60 (or 30) minutes later if this is a problem? ie: school has winter hours where class starts at 9AM instead of 8:30AM?
I don't get how having "random" things change opening hours is any better than changing clocks. I'm not a parent, but I can imagine that if some of my schedule had to change by 30 minutes some months out of the year, I'd find it more inconvenient. What if school starts/ends at a different time but my job does not? What if I have a standing appointment at a business that keeps its hours year round that now conflicts w…
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#396Compromise solution: In the spring, just lose the hour during the workday at 3pm instead of in the middle of the night. Designate that missing hour a holiday so employees still have to get paid for it. All the complaints about switching back and forth would go away.
Compromise between what? Disrupting people's sleep schedules and not disrupting people's sleep schedules?
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#397Ultimately the arguments between whether one should pick daylight or standard times are a red herring. The benefits of one over the other usually balance out and in either case are insignificant compared to the problems caused by changing time zones twice a year. Changing time zones is directly linked with all sorts of health issues, deaths, car crashes, etc.
Changing timezones suck, but sunset happening at 4:30pm before I leave work to go home massively contributes to winter depression. It's like "well that was a tiring day" and then instantly served with _darkness_. It sucks. If you get at least SOME light on the way home, it's a bit of a bright spot in the day, especially if the sunset is particularly pretty that day, as it often happens to be in Canadian winters. So I am extremely happy to see they chose the correct option for mental health of Canadians in the winter, and I really hope the rest of the provinces follow suit.
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#398I'm in BC. The astro-nerd in me would have preferred to see permanent Standard Time instead of a permanent +1 offset. Instinctively, I think morning light is important to our biology for a daily reset and the solar cue of "high noon" is also a real thing. I'm sure I've read that sleep health experts have historically supported a change to permanent Standard Time, not DST. I respect there are economic arguments for pe…
Speaking of, I've recently started using a daylight therapy lamp 10k lumens @ 10-30cm for at least 20 minutes within 1 hour of waking up: the first few days, the effect is dramatic. Later, when the body is readjusted you don't feel it as vividly, but if I don't do it for a few days I can feel my mood and energy drop. I recommend everyone who doesn't get much light (bright enough to make you squint) in the morning try it.
Re: British Columbia is permanently adopting daylight time
#399Ignoring the fact itself, doing this in a single province and not the whole country is the really wild thing for me (as a European). I have opinions about DST but having it different per German state sounds much more horrible than anything we have now, no matter how complicated the rules are.
Less of a problem in a county that is more or less laid out East to West with massive 500 mile wide provinces. British Columbia deciding to adopt Mountain Standard Time is more or less equivalent to Portugal using Berlin time.
I'm thinking more 'companies in the same country working together' - physical distance does not really matter, imho. Many countries span 1000km and unless traveling in person you don't care if it's east-west or north-south. Coordinating meetings and opening times is different.
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#400Earlier quoted context omitted.
Everytime people extoll the virtues of high noon, I ask the same question: why does it matter if the sun reaches it highest point near 12 o' clock? You're awake for 4-6 hours before 12, and you remain awake for 10-12 hours after it. Noon isn't the middle of the day for nearly anyone in the western world. I understand the argument for having an early sunset, clearly having sunlight when you're awake has an effect. But…
I think the better question is: If people want to go to work an hour earlier, why the F do they need to change the clock for that? Just leave the house at 6 instead of 7. Changing the clock around is insane.
A lot of people must schedule their day around school hours. You can't decide those.