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Re: British Columbia is permanently adopting daylight time

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Post by bryanlarsen »

sefrost wrote: post #66
bryanlarsen wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

P.S. Switching to daylight time makes more sense in Eastern BC than it does in Western BC. But Eastern BC is relatively unpopulated. The population of Penticton is 40,000 vs 3,000,000 in metro Vancouver. Second largest metro (Victoria) is west of Vancouver. Penticton experiences sunrise/sunset about 25 minutes before Vancouver, so their kids experience approximately equal amounts of sun before & after school on the w…

I know exactly what you mean with your comment, but interesting fact, Vancouver is in the East of BC! BC is huge in both directions.

Even more so when you consider that most of metro Vancouver lives east of Vancouver city.

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Post by singpolyma3 »

matthewdgreen wrote: post #28
emptybits wrote: post #15

I'm in BC. The astro-nerd in me would have preferred to see permanent Standard Time instead of a permanent +1 offset. Instinctively, I think morning light is important to our biology for a daily reset and the solar cue of "high noon" is also a real thing. I'm sure I've read that sleep health experts have historically supported a change to permanent Standard Time, not DST. I respect there are economic arguments for pe…

I'm a relatively early riser, but: if you steal an hour of my summer evening time, I think that would call for civil unrest.

What time the clock says shouldn't affect this

Re: British Columbia is permanently adopting daylight time

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Post by hshdhdhj4444 »

Ultimately the arguments between whether one should pick daylight or standard times are a red herring.

The benefits of one over the other usually balance out and in either case are insignificant compared to the problems caused by changing time zones twice a year.

Changing time zones is directly linked with all sorts of health issues, deaths, car crashes, etc.

Re: British Columbia is permanently adopting daylight time

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Post by PhilippGille »

vesinisa wrote: post #107
PhilippGille wrote: post #77

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That's a very dishonest take, as I'm sure you know that Sommerzeit proponents have reasons other than "summer sounds better than winter". For example most people just wake up and go to work in the morning, but in the evening they meet friends, BBQ, hike/run through nature, do sports etc., and prefer doing those activities while it's bright outside.

What stops you from going to work one hour early, so you get off earlier as well? Most employers these days allow flexible working hours. And if we are permanently moving our clocks to advance by an hour, why stop at just one hour? Why not have +2h or +3h so we get even more brighter evenings.

With flexible working hours it works in both directions, so @ndr42 can also wake up an hour later for his health and performance :)

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Post by gonzalohm »

sdevonoes wrote: post #149
ink_13 wrote: post #87

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I don't have children and I prefer permanent Standard Time because I have the apparently weird belief that noon should be at noon. (i.e. the time 12:00PM should be when the sun is overhead) I'm not a "capitalism gives you brain worms" kind of person, but the idea that it is somehow better to literally change the location of the sun in the sky because the holy hours of 9-5 are sacrosanct is so strange to me.

I lived once in Ecuador. Pretty much the whole year the sun rises at 6am and sets at 6pm. I very much prefer Spain: in summer the sun sets at almost 10 pm at its peak… best summers of my life. I lived in Poland once too, where in winter the sun sets at 3pm: I wanted to kill myself

I miss sunset times from Spain. It makes days feel longer

Re: British Columbia is permanently adopting daylight time

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Post by 1718627440 »

shagie wrote: post #150
1718627440 wrote: post #127

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That map is interesting, so most of the world prefers "red" to "green"? Why is that?

Most of the world tends to prefer to not be too far from the center of the timezone (where solar noon matches solar time in standard time). Geographic and political boundaries make it so that often it's more red. The extremes of north and south tend not to care as much because it doesn't matter as much. https://andywoodruff.com/blog/where-to-hate-daylight-saving-...

I don't think that explains it. The "red" offenders are basically Russia, China?, Sudan, Argentina and Alaska. The only "green" offender is Greenland, which is still large enough to enough red to justify it. I get China, it aligns with the population density. Sudan likely wants to have the same time as Somalia and Ethiopia. Why Argentina? Why Alaska? And why does Russia basically have zones that range from +2 to the +1 offset? They don't even have the excuse of avoiding 2 hour jumps like between Alaska and Canada, because they still have that.

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Post by gonzalohm »

bluebarbet wrote: post #106

This question IMO reveals how the abstraction of numbers can imprison our minds. It literally makes no sense to say, "I prefer to have an extra hour in the evening" (the morning and evening will always have equal numbers of hours). Or "I hate it when it's dark at 5pm" (translation: "I hate when it's dark at 5 arbitrary periods after an arbitrary moment that may be hours either side of solar noon"). My solution: pick…

It makes sense when schedules are fixed and time is the only thing we can change. I wouldn't mind switching to standard time if I can change my work schedule to have more light after work. I work from home, I don't care about not having light in the morning

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Post by [deleted] »

bena wrote: post #93
jbm wrote: post #73

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I agree with you. I also need to shout at the clouds on this because the experts who make the argument for time changes drive me crazy. I live in Calgary. At a previous grade school my daughter went to, school started early enough that she left in pitch black conditions in winter, regardless of "experts" and their precious daylight savings time. 'You need sunshine when you wake up' is really a ridiculous argument, th…

Yes, a lot of griping about "standard time" is really griping about winter. There are fewer hours of daylight in the winter. That's just the way it is. You can't fool time.

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Re: British Columbia is permanently adopting daylight time

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Post by allknowingfrog »

redfern314 wrote: post #11
OsrsNeedsf2P wrote: post #4

My dream world is everyone using 24 hour clocks set to UTC

My favorite depiction of your dream world: https://qntm.org/abolish

> Uncle Steve is zero hours ahead.

Uncle Steve is the same number of hours ahead that he has always been, and that's a thing that could be looked up just as easily as finding his time zone. I think the author is greatly exaggerating the degree to which time zones solve any of the problems mentioned. Uncle Steve might be on a different sleep schedule from me, regardless of whether or not he's in a different time zone.

Days of the week definitely become interesting in a global UTC system, but noon used to literally mean "the sun is at it's highest point". I suspect that people would grumble for a year or two and then forget that another system ever existed.

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