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Re: The EU moves to kill infinite scrolling

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True, you can't separate ads vs sponsored content quite easily. but you can help this by banning all forms of active tracking. Static ads only, no click tracking, and complete ban on profiling clients and especially on adjusting prices based on client/possible client behavior patterns.

Magazines made it work for decades. Websites can too. If you know the kind of articles your readers like, you can find ads that your readers will like.

It's amusing that after all this time and (hundreds of?) billions of dollars invested in adtech I still find the adverts in old magazines far more relevant and compelling than any of the "personalised" adverts of today. The industry as a whole has missed the forest for the trees by over-fitting their systems; I might be interested in the broader category, or a tangentially related one, but at no point do I want to see the exact same product I was looking at a day ago on every ad. I didn't buy it then for a reason, so I'm not buying it now.

Pervasive surveillance to make a system that's practically worse than the alternative that doesn't require mass surveillance, and is much simpler and cheaper. Did I say amusing before? Depressing is probably a better fit.

Re: The EU moves to kill infinite scrolling

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Free speech is a thing in the EU too. To become a member of the EU, you have to first join the Council of Europe and its European Convention on Human Rights – article 10 of which guarantees the right to free expression. The EU also has its own Charter of Fundamental Rights which says the same thing. And the plan is for the EU to become a party to the Convention in its own right, although that's got bogged down in tec…

“Free speech” and yet people are arrested for mean memes

Thats UK after they left EU.

Re: The EU moves to kill infinite scrolling

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Infrastructure costs money. There's no way around it. I'm all up for banning ads. But there should be another viable business model to replace it.

I don't think we have a right to a business model. Either you figure one out for your particular site (selling access to the website, donations, etc) or you don't and stop and either is ok.

I think we have rights to do lots of things that banning this business model would violate.

Re: The EU moves to kill infinite scrolling

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> If you pay some hosting provider then you're obviously paying someone Yes. You're still allowed to pay someone - for YOUR OWN corporate website. Still your copy is not on my fucking social media, news websites, forums, tv programming, and so on. > and now you have the caravan of trucks going through the loophole because Facebook et al get into the hosting business and then their "spam filter" trusts the things on t…

> If they show what they host (i.e. ads) on my social media feed, or links to it there, they're breaking the law. They're already hosting everything in your feed, and if there were actually no ads then everyone on the site would be paying them to do it, at which point what do you expect to be in your feed?

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Re: The EU moves to kill infinite scrolling

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Freedom of speech is a basic human right. Ads are speech.

That’s not even true in the United States (they’re ‘commercial speech’, which carries a still significant but lesser set of protections), never mind in Europe.

Commercial speech rights are still part of the "free speech" bundle of 1A protections.

Re: The EU moves to kill infinite scrolling

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Here's the actual statement from the European Comission: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_26_... It's important to note they aren't creating laws against infinite scrolling , but are ruling against addictive design and pointing to infinite scrolling as an example of it. The wording here is fascinating, mainly because they're effectively acting as arbiters of "vibes". They point to certain feat…

>My initial reaction was that this was a terrible precedent, but after thinking on it more I asked myself, "well what specific laws would I write to combat addictive design?".

I'd make the algorithms transparent, then attack clearly unethical methods on a case by case basis. The big thing about facebook in the 2010's was how we weren't aware of how deep its tracking was. When revealed and delved into, it lead to GDRP.

I feel that's the only precision method of keeping thins ethical.

Re: The EU moves to kill infinite scrolling

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Tenable for what, global business? Many local businesses do fine without advertising and/or using these methods. Making global business harder and forcing things more local actually sounds like a great benefit.

I'm all for that as well. We could use less 1T companies and more a few billion or 100s of millions level companies too. I miss the "focused on Mac and iPod" era Apple.

Banning advertising would have the opposite effect; entrenched players would have a massive moat. The biggest gains from advertising by far accrue to newer entrants, not the big companies.

Re: The EU moves to kill infinite scrolling

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We should just let people with overwhelming amounts of money research and fund new ways to trick people's lizard brains into giving them even more money.

If you’re going to organize your society around the theory that humans don’t actually possess free will, you’re going to produce a fair number of outcomes that a classical liberal would find abhorrent.

Yeah, good, okay

Re: The EU moves to kill infinite scrolling

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Here's the actual statement from the European Comission: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_26_... It's important to note they aren't creating laws against infinite scrolling , but are ruling against addictive design and pointing to infinite scrolling as an example of it. The wording here is fascinating, mainly because they're effectively acting as arbiters of "vibes". They point to certain feat…

>"well what specific laws would I write to combat addictive design?" Hear me out: banning advertising on the Internet. It's the only way. It's the primordial domino tile. You knock that one over, every other tile follows suit. It's the mother of chain reactions. There would be no social media, no Internet as we know it. Imagine having TikTok, YouTube or X trying to survive on subscriptions alone in their current iter…

There has never been a mass information medium to survive on subscriptions. This includes everything since news papers in the 18th century.

Re: The EU moves to kill infinite scrolling

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Oh you mean we can reverse the eternal September? Sign me up! Gatekeeping is good, actually! The “let people enjoy things” crowd is responsibility for facilitating the mass enshittification of everything. Catering to the lowest common denominator is how we got the Burger King guy on spirit airlines.

Why are you commenting here instead of a website that gatekeeps commenters?

"You criticize society, yet you participate in it".

I have and do pay for website access. That doesn't mean much if the current model flocks to no paid services.

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