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Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by Esophagus4 »

lm28469 wrote: post #225
xiphias2 wrote: post #200

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There's only one thing they need to replace if they want to show independence: ChatGPT. They had their chance with Mistral and failed spectacularly with just creating anti-AI regulations. As a European I'm happy to use their product (and pay for it), I just ask one tiny little thing from them: build a better model with lower latency.

> There's only one thing they need to replace if they want to show independence: ChatGPT Before or after the bubble pops? What does chatgpt has over competitors again? Besides a deranged ceo of course

Uhhh... 800m active users?

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by vinni2 »

Silicon Valley type of companies grew to be giants by exploiting personal data of users without any regard for privacy and lax regulations. European companies can’t match them because of the regulations and privacy laws. It’s not the lack of talent or investment that is holding EU back.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by youngtaff »

comonoid wrote: post #322
tick_tock_tick wrote: post #269

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lol hahaha Europe will "say" and maybe in a few decades they might get around to starting some of that. Europe still buys gas from Russia; can't even ween itself off it during a war.

Switching gas providers is more difficult than switching from Zoom to Google Meet or other alternative.

Not really once it's coming in my ship

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by af78 »

simfree wrote: post #343
softwaredoug wrote: post #113

Americans fail to appreciate a few things about our economy 1. We have a large homgoneous market where you can build a product and it’s expected it can succeed for hundreds of millions of Americans 2. EU is the easiest second market, and another step change of hundreds of millions of customers in a somewhat unified market 3. there’s not an easy 3rd economy that replaces EUs wealth, population, and comfort with Englis…

What was the last successful French software project in the Telecom or Conferencing space? This project has been forced into the hands of 40k users, but likely due to a plethora of bugs and user experience issues they are picking a date far in the future for broad deployment. Belledonne Communications has been actively breaking Linphone, conference calling broke back in August 2023 for example and remains broken to t…

CYCLADES (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CYCLADES) was influential in the design of important Internet concepts like the OSI model and TCP.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by luke5441 »

dutchCourage wrote: post #274
unethical_ban wrote: post #151

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It wasn't seen as a priority national security measure before. Now we have a US leader who may wake up tomorrow and put 100% tariffs on cloud services to EU corps or have the NSA demand chat logs.

The security issue is real and the main motivation behind decoupling from US cloud services. Export tarrifs aren't really a thing, particularly for software. Making US cloud more expensive would only make transitioning away from them faster.

The 25% export tariff on Nvidia chips from the US to China wants to have a word.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by FpUser »

hintymad wrote: post #317
phearnot wrote: post #306

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> even though Russia's GDP is merely of Guangzhou's Am I missing something? [1] lists Guangzhou’s GDP as 435,746 M USD, while [2] lists Russia’s GDP as 2,173,836 M USD. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_top_Chinese_cities_by_... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nomi...

My bad. I meant Guangdong Province

Guangdong Province at the moment has about 140,000,000 people. About the same as Russia so it figures. Also it is not the best idea to estimate GDP of Russia in USD and using US criteria.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by qznc »

mrabcx wrote: post #142
i_love_retros wrote: post #87

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It's only recently that the united states has become an enemy of the EU though. I'd say there's much more motivation to move to other software and platforms now.

Even during president Obama. the US spied on Merkel's mobile phone.

And at the same time, Germany spied on Obama.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by estimator7292 »

tick_tock_tick wrote: post #359
beloch wrote: post #246

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Don't take the Canadian market for granted. There's a strong desire to forge closer links with the EU now and reduce dependence on products that could be weaponized against us at any time. Geographic proximity doesn't count for much when it comes to software.

But they EU doesn't make any software... So unless Canada is willing to go with Chinese software which would kinda invalidate any "moral" ground they have and well frankly the USA wouldn't allow it seems like the USA can take it for granted.

Canada just announced a huge deal with China last week. You're wrong on all counts.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by qznc »

SoftTalker wrote: post #172
cmiles8 wrote: post #70

I wish them luck, but while saying folks will drop the dominant apps seems all the rage at the moment people have been saying this for decades with almost no real progress at scale. The only way to accomplish this at scale is to build something that is legit better and let the market decide. Anything else is just principled wishful thinking.

Yes, decade(s?) ago some city or state in Germany decided to ditch Microsoft for Linux and OpenOffice. It didn't go well and they eventually backtracked.

You probably think about Munich and LiMux. Well, Microsoft had to move their German HQ there to get them back.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by jansper39 »

johnsmith1840 wrote: post #272
boricj wrote: post #248

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The current US administration wants a captive Europe. One that buys its defense, energy and technology products from them. One that sells its territory, regulations and know-how to them. Ask the Department of State if they'd like a European-sized French attitude and strategic autonomy.

Current admin has been on record for years saying the same thing. Warning EU about russia, warning EU about China, warning them about not innovating. I don't know if this was planned internally but it seems the way they figured out how to get EU to actually do something is to make it seem like big bad trump is going to hurt them. Current admin has gotten more out of EU than 20years of asking nicely. Before: US: "plea…

> US: "We will invade greenland" EU: "omg we need to invest in greenland and increase its military support, we will send more troops immediately!"

> US: "we will pull out of nato" EU: "omg we hate US we need to massively increase military spending and industry"

It's in both the EU and the US's interest to ensure NATO is the strongest partnership possible and the US's actions over the last few weeks have undermined it almost perfectly.

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