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Trump says Venezuela’s Maduro captured after strikes

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Post by softwaredoug »

jacquesm wrote: post #311

It's funny how many people already see this as a book that is opened and closed on the same day. That's not how these things work. This is like the first stone of an avalanche. It could stop here, or it could roll on for quite a while. It will take months or even years to know whether or not the outcome here was desirable or not and what the final tally is. Remember the 'Arab spring' and what came after.

Well it’s even simpler than that on paper. The government has a succession plan. Most likely outcome: Maduros party stays in power

It may actually mean next to nothing geopolitically other than to outrage the rest of the world and make Trump look tough.

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Post by seydor »

unionjack22 wrote: post #271

Here's a trick I've learnt to get an authentic view of events like these, a nice way to parse through the keyboard warrior and ivory tower voices and noise is to hear what Venezuelans, the millions of Venezuelan migrants, and the citizens of neighboring countries who've had to reckon with the legacy of Chavez think about this. You can extend this to anything really with good results. No valuable insight will be glean…

For one, immigrants are not representative of their country, they are so biased that they left.

But i think the opinion of venezuelans has leaked and it s pretty obvious his regime is not popular at home

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Post by beloch »

boramalper wrote: post #344

Two wrongs don’t make a right. Regardless of your opinion on Maduro, you can still acknowledge that the head of a sovereign state being captured in an unannounced/unnamed military operation by a superpower is wrong from a principled standpoint, and that it’s destabilising a country with 30+ million people if not the entire region.

A wrong, followed by another wrong, followed by another wrong, followed by another wrong, followed by yet another wrong...

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"Flood the zone" is a political strategy in which a political figure aims to gain media attention, disorient opponents and distract the public from undesirable reports by rapidly forwarding large volumes of newsworthy information to the media. The strategy has been attributed to U.S. president Donald Trump's former chief political strategist Steve Bannon."

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Pay attention to the context of this moment. The timing of this invasion is no coincidence.

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flood_the_zone

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Post by csomar »

ofalkaed wrote: post #345

I just spent way too much time reading through this thread looking for a single post more concerned about Venezuela and its people than the poster's own politics. I gave up when I noticed I was only a 1/4 of the way through thread, should have started from the bottom.

I think 2026 will be the year when we move way past that threshold. When conflicts and casualties are rare, each one gets highlighted and garners significant attention. But once you pass a certain point, it becomes just another conflict, just more people suffering. A tragic event affecting millions of people becomes another line item on a list.

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Post by lazide »

boramalper wrote: post #344

Two wrongs don’t make a right. Regardless of your opinion on Maduro, you can still acknowledge that the head of a sovereign state being captured in an unannounced/unnamed military operation by a superpower is wrong from a principled standpoint, and that it’s destabilising a country with 30+ million people if not the entire region.

It's just realpolitik laid particularly bare. The major complaint seems to be that the paperwork wasn't done 'right' here, not much else eh?

What is the real difference between Iraq and what just happened, except this was arguably done much cleaner, and with less BS (no having to come up with Yellow Cake, or fake WMDs, for example).

This does have the effect of hopefully waking up anyone who is still confused, but I doubt it.

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Post by softwaredoug »

xvector wrote: post #358

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Is what you describe Maduro specific? Or specific to the ruling party of Venezuela?

It’s not like the ruling party gives up power and dissolves in this situation. That level of regime change requires an invasion or coup.

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Post by dcastm »

rayiner wrote: post #379

Yup. Venezuelans voted for the Bolivaran Revolution. This is it. We shouldn’t waste our time with it. Especially because every time we topple a regime like this it creates a refugee crisis and a huge influx of refugees to the U.S.

Except we didn’t and there’s already an ongoing refugee crisis.

[0] https://terrytao.wordpress.com/2024/08/02/what-are-the-odds-...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezuelan_refugee_crisis

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Post by incrudible »

rayiner wrote: post #379

Yup. Venezuelans voted for the Bolivaran Revolution. This is it. We shouldn’t waste our time with it. Especially because every time we topple a regime like this it creates a refugee crisis and a huge influx of refugees to the U.S.

...except there already is a refugee crisis caused be the regime that is supposed to be toppled, 20% of Venezuelans have left the country.
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