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GPT-5.1: A smarter, more conversational ChatGPT

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Re: GPT-5.1: A smarter, more conversational ChatGPT

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Post by alterom »

neilwilson wrote: post #384
halifaxbeard wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would you propose we address the therapist shortage then?

Remember that a therapist is really a friend you are paying for. Then make more friends.

>Remember that a therapist is really a friend you are paying for.

That's an awful, and awfully wrong definition that's also harmful.

It's also disrespectful and demeaning to both the professionals and people seeking help. You don't need to get a degree in friendship to be someone's friend. And having friends doesn't replace a therapist.

Please avoid saying things like that.

Re: GPT-5.1: A smarter, more conversational ChatGPT

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Post by larodi »

sho wrote: post #387
rimmontrieu wrote: post #357

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They already hit a dead end and cannot innovate any further. Instead of being more accurate and deterministic, tuning the model so it produces more human-like tokens is one of a few tricks left to attract investors money.

None of this is even close to true.

Can you prove your statement?

Re: GPT-5.1: A smarter, more conversational ChatGPT

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Post by brap »

>warmer

I actually wish they’d make it colder.

Matter of fact, my ideal “assistant” is not an assistant. It doesn’t pretend to be a human, it doesn’t even use the word “I”, it just answers my fucking question in the coldest most succinct way possible.

Re: GPT-5.1: A smarter, more conversational ChatGPT

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Post by Arisaka1 »

gandalfthepink wrote: post #301

It is truly stupid that they are trying to make it more human-like. They should have added a radio button to turn off these sort of customizations because it doesn't help some of us. Just pisses me off. It is supposed to be an answering machine, not some emotional support system.

Every time I read an LLM's response state something like "I'm sorry for X", "I'm happy for Y" reminds me of the demons in Frieren, where they lacked any sense of emotion but they emulated it in order to get humans respond in a specific way. It's all a ploy to make people feel like they talk to a person that doesn't exist.

And yeah, I'm aware enough what an LLM is and I can shrug it off, but how many laypeople hear "AI", read almost human-like replies and subconsciously interpret it as talking to a person?

Re: GPT-5.1: A smarter, more conversational ChatGPT

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Post by coldtea »

dragonwriter wrote: post #274
minimaxir wrote: post #2

All the examples of "warmer" generations show that OpenAI's definition of warmer is synonymous with sycophantic , which is a surprise given all the criticism against that particular aspect of ChatGPT. I suspect this approach is a direct response to the backlash against removing 4o.

> All the examples of "warmer" generations show that OpenAI's definition of warmer is synonymous with sycophantic, which is a surprise given all the criticism against that particular aspect of ChatGPT. Have you considered that “all that criticism” may come from a relatively homogenous, narrow slice of the market that is not representative of the overall market preference? I suspect a lot of people who are from a very…

>Have you considered that “all that criticism” may come from a relatively homogenous, narrow slice of the market that is not representative of the overall market preference?

Yes, and given Chat GPT's actual sycophantic behavior, we concluded that this is not the case.

Re: GPT-5.1: A smarter, more conversational ChatGPT

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Post by anuramat »

utopiah wrote: post #380
mips_avatar wrote: post #269

I wish chatgpt would stop saying things like "here's a no nonsense answer" like maybe just don't include nonsense in the answer?

Well... that's the whole point, it can not make sense. It's stringing up words based on it's dataset. There is 0 sense making, 0 interpretation, 0 understanding. Words. Strung together, including then it says "no nonsense" because somewhere in its datasets often enough that's the series of words that best match the "stop saying BS!" kind of prompt.

do you ever get tired of pointing out that a large language model is a language model?

UPD I do that as well when explaining to my relatives why I don't care what ChatGPT thinks about $X, but also they're not on HN

Re: GPT-5.1: A smarter, more conversational ChatGPT

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Post by [deleted] »

mrtesthah wrote: post #352
fergie wrote: post #347

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> It is supposed to be an answering machine, not some emotional support system. Many people would beg to differ.

I’m sure many people will also tell you that methamphetamines make them more productive at work, but that’s not a good reason to allow unregulated public distribution of them. You can read about the predatory nature of Replika to see where this all ends up.

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Re: GPT-5.1: A smarter, more conversational ChatGPT

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Post by ssl-3 »

Hammershaft wrote: post #372
cowpig wrote: post #109

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Do you have reason to believe they are not doing this already?

Yes, I've heard no reports of poorly fitting branded recommendations from AI models. The PR risk would be huge for labs, the propensity to leak would be high given the selection effects that pull people to these roles.

I've not heard of it, either.

But I suspect that we're no more than one buyout away from that kind of thing.

The labs do appear to avoid paid advertising today. But actions today should not be taken as an indicator to mean that the next owner(s) won't behave completely soullessly manner in their effort to maximize profit at every possible expense.

On a long-enough timeline, it seems inevitable to me that advertising with LLM bots will become a real issue.

(I mean: I remember having an Internet experience that was basically devoid of advertising. It changed, and it will never change back.)

Re: GPT-5.1: A smarter, more conversational ChatGPT

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Post by codethief »

mrtesthah wrote: post #356
notarobot123 wrote: post #334

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Emotional dependence has to be the stickiest feature of any tech product. They know what they are doing.

Look into Replika to see some truly dark patterns about where this all ends up.

Replika by Hugo Bernard?
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