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Re: I maintain a 17 year old ThinkPad

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Post by MSFT_Edging »

noisy_boy wrote: post #57
cosmic_cheese wrote: post #35

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Framework’s offerings are interesting, but after having gotten used to the solid rigidity of M-series MacBooks and X1 series Thinkpads, the level of flex in the Framework 13 is a major issue for me. It’s difficult to justify for the price, plus PCBs and repeated flex stress don’t mix nicely. I think it’s time for either Framework or a third party partner to sell a new chassis that’s compatible with the FW13’s mainboa…

My ThinkPad X1 extreme is still chugging along but gets hot etc. I am looking for a cooler machine with ThinkPad durability. I can't choose Framework because a) they don't ship where I am b) they won't honor warranty if I use forwarders c) none of their offerings have a comparably durable config. Maybe they should think about a FrameTough line.

I was sad when I bought a new 10th or 11th gen X1 carbon to replace my 4th gen. I configured them essentially the same, second-to-fastest processor, FHD display, no touch screen.

The 4th gen almost never kicked its fans on, especially in Linux. The new one gets far hotter, even at idle. Lenovo removed the traditional sleep mode in favor of modern sleep, which causes it to die with the lid closed in a couple days compared to over a week with the 4th gen.

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Post by kayge »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #271
johnisgood wrote: post #203

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That sounds even more plausible.

Wasn't there at least one movie, where that was not a good thing?

Counterpoint: in Despicable Me the moon was shrunk and brought down to Earth with almost zero consequences... so maybe it would be just fine!

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Post by ladyanita22 »

SuperSandro2000 wrote: post #308
ladyanita22 wrote: post #240

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Doesn't NixOS hog on your hardware?

How? The package manager needs more RAM than the average other package manager because it is doing a lot more behind the back.

Because it's source based and there's probably a ton of compilation in the background

Re: I maintain a 17 year old ThinkPad

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Post by doublepg23 »

0xEF wrote: post #194
CursedSilicon wrote: post #6

I wish that Framework could attain the same lofty levels of "second hand market success" that ThinkPads enjoy. A lot of the "Thinkpad fans" I've talked to genuinely want them, or respect them for similar reasons they enjoy the ThinkPad legacy. ThinkPads are durable but every day they get older, slower and more difficult to source parts for as collectors entrench themselves and the requirements of operating systems (a…

Yeah, the price is the only thing that holds me back from trying a Framework 13. I have a few Thinkpad X260s which can be got on eBay for $100US. Drop in a fresh SSD and stick of 16gb memory for another $100US and you have a very capable little machine for common, daily use that suits all my needs more than adequately. If one gets damaged, I am not out too much money. I've been using two for about 4 years now, one as…

FYI- you can find 32GB DDR4 SODIMMs that’ll work with the x260 :D

Re: I maintain a 17 year old ThinkPad

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Post by firefax »

So if I was looking for an older Thinkpad to throw something XFCE flavored onto, what are some model numbers to look for? I'm basically just looking to do word processing/browsing, but I assume I'll have to jack up the ram, maybe replace the main drive with an SSD...

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Post by uticus »

shoo wrote: post #127
CursedSilicon wrote: post #6

I wish that Framework could attain the same lofty levels of "second hand market success" that ThinkPads enjoy. A lot of the "Thinkpad fans" I've talked to genuinely want them, or respect them for similar reasons they enjoy the ThinkPad legacy. ThinkPads are durable but every day they get older, slower and more difficult to source parts for as collectors entrench themselves and the requirements of operating systems (a…

> enough Thinkpads on Earth to probably stretch end-to-end around the moon and back LD, average distance between Earth and Moon = 384,399,000 m [1] C = circumference of moon = 10,917,000 m R := approximate round trip distance = 2LD + 0.5*C = 774,256,500 m n = total number of thinkpads on earth Alas, T / R, the ratio of total thinkpad distance T to our lunar round trip distance R, is at most about 0.11 . This is with…

opening the thinkpads will add ~ 38% to the effective area of stacking thinkpads, if edge-to-edge (0.2325m depth closed, assuming doubling for opened = 0.465m opened) [0].

if opened and touching corner-to-corner (~0.574m), will add ~ 71% to effective area.

[0] https://www.lenovo.com/content/dam/lenovo/pcsd/north-america...

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Post by nickpeterson »

dionidium wrote: post #395

My primary computer, the one I'm typing on right now, is a 13-year old 2012 Mac Mini. It couldn't be more fine. It does everything I need it to do.

Now you’ve jinxed it. I’d imagine you’ll never see this response because your laptop exploded shortly after typing that comment.

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Post by vel0city »

roywashere wrote: post #367
maccard wrote: post #141

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When would you define as “before”? I’ve had a thinkpad on and off and I’d describe the quality as consistent. People talking about old Lenovos being good quality are often talking about in the pre-IBM days which is far more likely to be nostalgia at this point.

I definitely know that people have complained that modern ThinkPads are not as good as before, and they have been doing that for ages, just as Socrates back in the day already was complaining about modern kids and their behaviours ;-) In this case I was referring to post-T480 ThinkPads which have soldered memory, and no longer have hot-swappable batteries or on-board Ethernet.

I don't mind not having an external battery now that these laptops can charge off USB-C. So many ways to get some kind of USB-C power source to connect to and get a bit more charge, and then that spare energy source is usable with pretty much all the rest of my electronics. Whereas before it was a big, proprietary battery that only worked with one device and needed to be connected to the laptop to charge some time later.

They're still pretty easy to find replacements for when they go bad.

Re: I maintain a 17 year old ThinkPad

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Post by normie3000 »

0xbadcafebee wrote: post #346

There's a fallacy often repeated for computers: "It's lasted a long time so it's going to keep lasting a long time." The thing is, failure of computer hardware is often due to manufacturing flaws. There's many that could have flaws, and they're subject to (varying) environmental stresses (both at build time at run time), so there's many failure modes. It's difficult to know exactly when a server might fail. It might…

> But what's clear is that failure isn't less likely as the machine gets older, it's more likely.

Is this true? Doesn't most hardware have a dip in failure rate in the middle of its average lifespan?

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