Wouldn't it be amazing if we had a viable third party? I can dream, can't I?
Agreed. And preferably a fourth, fifth and sixth as well.
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#392Foreign policy under Trump will generally be isolationist. - US out of NATO? Trump will at least threaten that. The larger European countries are currently weak militarily by historical standards. There does not seem to be enough will in Europe to spend at US levels, outside of the countries on the front line, such as Poland and Finland. - Ukraine war: Heavy US support for Ukraine probably stops. Whether Ukraine surr…
Can the EU muster political capital to fill the void that the US will leave in Ukraine?
I am most worried about East Asia, really hoping Taiwan survives the next 4 years.
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#393I had to double check if I was on reddit…these are some wild comments lol
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#394From a game theoretical perspective this is a good result. It is a clear reiteration of the message to the Democrats: you won't win by claiming to be 0.1% less bad. The Democrats should have fielded a strong personality in their own right. This is not about left or right. It's about mobilizing people by giving them something to care about. "More of the same" and "not like that guy" isn't very enticing. I don't think…
Dear Democrats,
Yes! You're right. You should have run a stronger personality. Much stronger. Harris didn't "think big". She should have been more strident in advocating for censorship, inflation, imprisoning her political enemies, and legalizing crime. Please run these stronger personalities in every election from now on. We'd appreciate it.
Thanks, and much love,
Republicans
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#396For some of us this is not unexpected at all. But the margin and the likely win of the popular vote should send a clear message.
Every time somebody wins, their supporters say it sends a clear message. You should consider that the message you believe is so clear that you've left it unsaid is demonstrably not clear.
I absolutely sympathize with individual reasons to vote Trump and don't automatically look down on Trump voters (immigration, for example). But, Trump himself and explicit "Trump supporters" (i.e. people who make it clear they support his general identity - negativity and all) 95% of the time don't leave any room for sympathy when I encounter them, online or in person, and they are extremely common. What the average liberal is shown (and I assume you care about the average person in each camp, since lauding the common man is a prominent value) is an unheard-of-in-their-lifetimes amount of verbal encouragement (with varying degrees of explicitness) for hatred of others, violence against others, imprisonment of others, and disrespecting of the law/constitution in the name of those things. It's not comparable with any past Democratic candidate (or Republican, for that matter).
On the personal scale, my wife and I don't express anything close to extremist positions, or any cheerleader-type love for Democrats, or any name-calling of conservatives, and yet we are called every slur that's popular with Trump supporters. And we're white, cis Americans. My wife, because she's so friendly when strangers talk to her, has been stalked by one Trump supporter and had another call her a slut (to another Trump supporter, not to her face). She's terrified of these people now. It's insane that they even state out loud their support for Trump in the short time we encounter them.
You can't expect humans presented with that to think, when that candidate wins, "Wow, I guess political issues X, Y, and Z are really important to those guys. Maybe I was too harsh on them." They're going to think, "Wow, those guys really are leaning in a fascist-y direction and have a big problem with evil people in their ranks. I'm scared for my country, community, and family." I don't think that's an extreme or unnecessarily provocative thing to admit.
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#397Well, I guess that shows our collective feeling toward democracy. Is it too much to hope that USAv2 adopts a parliamentary form of government? Or is it necessary to step through an authoritarian phase first?
For the sake of my kids I’m glad we live in a blue state, so we might be somewhat insulated from the immediate consequences. Even then, I’m glad I’m a gun toting liberal and have the means to defend myself against those who wish me and my family harm.
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#398For some of us this is not unexpected at all. But the margin and the likely win of the popular vote should send a clear message.
I'm trans. Yeah, the message is clear, alright. This country either hates us that much, or is just that willing to throw us to the wolves.
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#399What's the best way for someone from one of the groups that Republicans hate to move to a Western European or Nordic nation where they are less likely to be marginalized or threatened? I'm sure there will be plenty of time to analyze exactly what happened, but right now my only concern is getting out.
As someone who researched this, you have three options: Golden Visas (expensive and being phased out, but good if you have ~$500k sitting around in cash), Ancestry (a recent direct relative who was a citizen of that country), or asylum.
For LGBTQ+, asylum is the likely option, but one that cannot be exercised until you have demonstrable proof you’d come to harm here in the States. That’ll be easier for folks in Red States whose policies are already openly hostile to our mere existence, but you’d likely get pushback since there are other states to move to and the Federal policies remain unchanged at this time.
Right now, your best bet is to sit, analyze, and prepare. Get your passport and make copies of any identity documentation. Be ready to leave at a moment’s notice, because we don’t have the luxury of believing that man, his party, or his electors are just joking around or otherwise not serious.
EDIT: one other thing you can do is get the hell out of a Red State ASAP and move into one of the “Blue Fortresses” of New England or the Pacific Coast. Equality Map has a good breakdown of states’ laws and protections broken down into LGBTQ-specific categories, and that’s going to be of critical import if Federal protections are tossed out. Those areas also have the added benefit of plentiful immediate transportation options out of the country, either by land, sea, or air if need be.
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#400Another country succumbed to a fascist moron, such a shame.