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Re: NASA investigation finds Boeing hindering Americans' return to moon

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"Everyone" meaning "everyone as a whole", not absolutely every individual. If there's more than one grocery store, I probably get better prices. (Or, negatively, if there's only one then I probably get worse prices.) And so with every other aspect of the economy.

So, if competition is supposed to fix other aspects of the economy, why is healthcare disproportionately high compared to other things? There are several hospitals around me. Endless amount of doctor offices. There are several health insurance companies I can choose from. There is competition. Yet, prices are not affordable for most.

> healthcare disproportionately high compared to other things?

it's because the number you're comparing to is from other countries, where they subsidize their own citizen's healthcare.

The US's healthcare system has become a convoluted mess, and the competition you mention is not sufficient.

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> There were plenty of people who would have loved to have put their energy and expertise towards a climate change moonshot, but our incredibly powerful corporate interests and the legislators that they own didn't want it to happen, so it didn't. The problem with "climate change moonshot" is that the answer isn't really a single target or anything suitable to a government spending program. You get the result you want…

No, trying to financially engineer incentives to make all of those things magically happen would not have worked. They tried that with broadband rollout and healthcare and got middling results, at best. Public/private partnerships are a fool's gold standard and it's time to stop getting burned by that scam. We wanted the government to get directly involved. To fund and empower a federal agency to hire workers, plan p…

> No, trying to financially engineer incentives to make all of those things magically happen would not have worked. They tried that with broadband rollout and healthcare and got middling results, at best. Public/private partnerships are a fool's gold standard and it's time to stop getting burned by that scam.

Public/private partnerships are an entirely different thing. There you still have the government dictating what should happen, even if the thing they require is inefficient or miserable, and then you invite a corrupt government contractor that satisfies none of the prerequisites for a competitive market to back their armored car up to the government's vault and suck out all the money.

A carbon tax does not involve any government contractors. You burn carbon, you pay tax. People avoid burning carbon to avoid paying the tax. All of the tax money goes back to the citizens; everybody gets a check cut in the same amount. The imperative is to eliminate space for corruption by leaving no exceptions to the tax and no discretion in where the money goes.

> We wanted the government to get directly involved.

You are implicitly asking for the thing you say you don't like.

In order to install solar panels, the government would have to buy land to put them on, and then buy solar panels. These things come from private sellers. But the government's purchasing process is thoroughly corrupt, so now you're buying solar panels and concrete and transformers from whoever's cronies have the in with the administration. You can't avoid this by trying to say "we'll make our own solar panels then" because for that you'd have to buy semiconductor wafers and fabrication equipment etc. The inputs ultimately have to come from somewhere and the somewhere is going to capture the government.

This is exactly what happened with the WPA and NASA. The term "boondoggle" was coined for the WPA's corruption and inefficiency. Around 90% of NASA's funding goes to government contractors. This is Boeing, Lockheed, Northrop Grumman, etc. And it's not a new thing:

https://www.gao.gov/assets/hr-93-11.pdf

At the height of the New Deal in 1936, total federal spending, even adjusted for both population growth and inflation to 2024 dollars, was less than $500B. (In unadjusted 1936 dollars it was $8.2B). The current federal budget is over $6T -- right now it's more than twelve times as much in real dollars per capita than it was at the height of the New Deal. The "massive scale" you wanted is more than already happening, but it's not working, because the government doesn't spend money efficiently. It siphons it into the coffers of the connected.

Re: NASA investigation finds Boeing hindering Americans' return to moon

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If only there was some middle ground between a golden parachute and gulags.

According to NNT, there is. He claims that if a company doesn't want state intervention then it should not ask for bailouts when things start to go wrong. And, should they want or need to be bailed out, then it's the state who determines how much all employees from such a company can make in compensation. So, no more executives making $30M/year despite terrible years such as those Boeing has had.

That's a good idea. Another idea I've had is that the state could become an investor in that company.

In shark tank if you want money you usually sell a stake in your company.

If a company needs a bailout. The executives would lose their stocks and give them to the state in exchange for bailout money.

If the company then starts to be successful again later the state gets money back by having a portion of the company.

Re: NASA investigation finds Boeing hindering Americans' return to moon

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I think it is a great development, the US decided to export jobs to other countries to pay less its own workers, so it fits well that now it has no expertise to build its war machines.

It doesn't even have to be like that. People want comfy WFH service jobs and college is basically just becoming 13th-16th grade at this point. America is an advanced economy and the advanced work is where the money and comfy life is. No one did anything wrong, really the problem is that too many are doing everything right. The only real answers to this is either immigrants (who undercut local workers) or some kind of…

> America is an advanced economy and the advanced work is where the money and comfy life is.

The only advance is the downward spiral of the American economy. The money is in the financial industry and third sector only, which only profits from the dollar control.

Re: NASA investigation finds Boeing hindering Americans' return to moon

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What MBAs and Financists destroyed so far: - Western Industry. - The blue-collar middle class - The Middle Class - Our health care system - Our education - Western Economic Leadership. - Social Mobility Now they are busy destroying western technology, science and innovation on their never-ending selfish wealth-extraction quest. They convinced us that our homes are investments, so they can fleece us with their usurary…

But think about all the shareholder value they created

Re: NASA investigation finds Boeing hindering Americans' return to moon

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post #391

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So, if competition is supposed to fix other aspects of the economy, why is healthcare disproportionately high compared to other things? There are several hospitals around me. Endless amount of doctor offices. There are several health insurance companies I can choose from. There is competition. Yet, prices are not affordable for most.

> healthcare disproportionately high compared to other things? it's because the number you're comparing to is from other countries, where they subsidize their own citizen's healthcare. The US's healthcare system has become a convoluted mess, and the competition you mention is not sufficient.

Oh, so there are other means or systems that are good or even better, i.e. more sufficient to fix or improve society than just blind competition. Got it!

Re: NASA investigation finds Boeing hindering Americans' return to moon

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What MBAs and Financists destroyed so far: - Western Industry. - The blue-collar middle class - The Middle Class - Our health care system - Our education - Western Economic Leadership. - Social Mobility Now they are busy destroying western technology, science and innovation on their never-ending selfish wealth-extraction quest. They convinced us that our homes are investments, so they can fleece us with their usurary…

But think about all the shareholder value they created

From the Tom Toro The New Yorker comic:

* https://www.npr.org/2015/01/25/379787274/howd-a-cartoonist-s...

Re: NASA investigation finds Boeing hindering Americans' return to moon

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That's one answer. Although manager technical expertise has to also come with minimal ego, so you can defer to your people when they know more than you. The alternative is developing an intuition for bullshit. It's rarer, but I've had a few non-technical PMs / managers who were excellent at their job because they could suss out whether someone wasn't being honest.

Everything has to come with minimal ego. I don't see how that has anything to do with managers having technical knowledge. And it's great if a handful of people can smell out bs in a field they're not familiar with, but you can't write policy on the back of a few unicorns like that. (Yes, managing ego is hard too, but I believe it's more common to start with and more trainable.)

Egolessness is less important in those without authority.

Once it's common for someone in authority to tiebreak on technical arguments, it becomes very important they can set their ego aside.

Re: NASA investigation finds Boeing hindering Americans' return to moon

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You can if you know both Bob and Steve because you are their manager...

> You can if you know both Bob and Steve because you are their manager Apollo involved almost half a million people. You cannot manage that on gut feel.

This is such a defeatist attitude. We're arguing two different things too.

We're not saying you have to personally know 500k people. We're saying that to some people, it's very clear and obvious that someone working for them is incompetent and/or simply doing a bad job (and this is not gut feel). This shouldn't be up for debate or controversy. If you hired that person to manage another person, you expect them to know what they're doing and at the very least see the Red Flags of incompetence (whatever they may be). We've been trying the "systemic" way of ridding ourselves of bias, but here it is, alive and well. What we got instead is a broken system that's full of conflicting priorities and people trying their best to navigate them and doing so badly - all whilst the actual goals and priorities get sidelined as secondary.

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