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Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by kube-system »

iAMkenough wrote: post #145
colinmorelli wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm quite confident my parents and the many people like them in the world would not find running VPN/Tailscale/ZeroTier to be "easy." Nor would they have any idea how to troubleshoot when those services have issues. Nor would they want to play intermediary between Tailscale and myQ customer support to figure out which one is broken and fix it. Having options like this is great for powerusers, but the vast majority of…

Sounds like there's a market for intermediary tech support

If your mass-market commercial product needs this by design, you will fail. To successfully sell a product to the general public, it must work out of the box.

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by freeplay »

tzs wrote: post #185
lvh wrote: post #15

Based on my local big box store and garage installer availability, Chamberlain has a de facto monopoly. They also pulled the rug out from under customers: that behavior had been in Home Assistant since 2017, and it's their own recent changes that caused the alleged "DDoS". They say it's to promote official products, but the company previously had a local hub that didn't require their cloud service and discontinued it…

> It's unclear if the CTO just doesn't understand that "DDoS" generally implies malice, or if they're intentionally using that language to blame users for using their product. I've definitely seen "DDoS" used when there was no malice, such as when a developer accidentally releases a client that generates way more traffic than it was supposed to. Probably because we don't seem to have a good term for "event that at th…

> I've definitely seen "DDoS" used when there was no malice,

Absolutely. Used to work on the Identity team somewhere. Dev accidentally removed code that was supposed to cache a token on a very chatty service. Brought auth to its knees and called it DDoS.

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by nunez »

rootusrootus wrote: post #376
nunez wrote: post #162

I wrote the below in another post on this topic: They never technically allowed it in the first place. Homebridge and Home Assistant used a popular Python library that reverse-engineered the MyQ API from the Android app. Many companies couldn't care less until abuse ramps up, but given that Chamberlain (Blackstone-owned) has gone into rent-seeking mode all of a sudden (or an incident happened that they won't disclose…

> Tesla integrations I sometimes wonder if Tesla nerfed the homelink functionality in the car just to encourage people to pay monthly for the MyQ software solution. I gave up trying to get my Model 3 to open/close the door automatically for me because the range is just abysmal. Went back to using a push button remote on the visor that will open the door from half a block away.

wouldn't be surprised. that said, I have the homelink integration, and MyQ works much better for us because of where our garage is relative to our driveway.

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by BobaFloutist »

leeoniya wrote: post #309
dboreham wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In US homes the garage is often a way to access the house with minimal security between the two.

i also keep expensive things in the garage: onewheel, a couple good bikes, a lot of nice tools. i assume this is true for quite a few homeowners.

Sometimes garages even have cars in them!

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by jaredhobbs »

scottlamb wrote: post #359

ratgdo looks really nice! I've been controlling my garage door via dry contact on my Elk security system [1] and monitoring the door status via a separate rolling door reed sensor. [2] But from following the ratgdo link, I learned that my "Security+ 1.0" garage door opener has a RS-232 interface with a protocol that will tell you about door status and obstructions. That's better! I just clicked ratgdo's buy link to s…

Here's a project I used to build my own ratgdo: https://github.com/Kaldek/rat-ratgdo

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by CodeWriter23 »

veleek wrote: post #387
SoftTalker wrote: post #352

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Many people already have a keypad mounted outside that will open the garage door. You can set up a guest code there and give to Amazon, or anyone you want. There is zero need for internet-enabled smartness in the garage door opener here.

You’ve glossed over the most complicated part of this: “give it to Amazon”. There are so many things involved in that portion of the process that an internet enabled garage door solves, most importantly: not having a single code that can be used by anybody at any point in time until I manually go back and remove it.

If only there were some kind of information processing device that could automatically expire codes after a set period of time.

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by Humdeee »

leeoniya wrote: post #309
dboreham wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In US homes the garage is often a way to access the house with minimal security between the two.

i also keep expensive things in the garage: onewheel, a couple good bikes, a lot of nice tools. i assume this is true for quite a few homeowners.

Not to mention... a car, as there's a car theft crisis nearly everywhere in the past 2-3 years. I consider the garage just another room in my home. I consider entering my garage akin to entering my house

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by dheera »

kelnos wrote: post #292
bluGill wrote: post #284

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For retailers I want someone to verify that they are legitimate. I don't want random people in my garage. If someone enters my garage when I'm not home they better really be agents for WalMart/Amazon/target/UPS (as opposed to WolMort/Amozan/targit/USP...) , and whatever company does that does background checks on drivers. Probably they also need to have other cameras in their vehicles so that drivers trying to steal…

> as already pointed out, most people have an unlocked door from the garage to the house Not sure where you live, but every house I've lived in (USA, a few different states) during my entire life has had an exterior-quality door with exterior-quality lock, including deadbolt, between the house and garage. In the one house I lived in that had a security system, that garage-to-interior door was also wired into the syst…

> Not sure where you live, but every house I've lived in (USA, a few different states) during my entire life has had an exterior-quality door with exterior-quality lock, including deadbolt, between the house and garage.

I don't know if that would do much.

It's one thing to be sawing up a front door that is in plain sight of the street -- passer-bys might call the cops if they saw that.

But if you're doing it from inside a garage? You could shut the garage door and saw away. Nobody would report saw noises coming from a garage because that's super normal.

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by rasz »

Nextgrid wrote: post #327
paulgerhardt wrote: post #234

Partially responsible for this. (Sold Lockitron to Chamberlain in 2017 which became the basis for Amazon Key integrations.) Contrary to the popular sentiment in a lot of the comments here, there’s not much value in the analytics. As we all painfully found out in the 2010’s, there are only two viable recurring revenue streams in the IoT space - charging for video storage and charging for commercial access. Chamberlain…

Why should the garage door manufacturer take a cut if a third-party wants to use/access my garage door (which sells for real money and isn't advertised as a rental). If a homeowner wants to let Amazon, Walmart, etc to open their garage door, it should be up to him to provide them with an access token/secret/etc to enter, just like you can put a door keycode in the order notes. The interaction should be purely between…

Because as they clearly demonstrated its not your garage door.
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