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Re: Tracking Austrian grocery prices by scraping store sites

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Post by iraqmtpizza »

em-bee wrote: post #383
iraqmtpizza wrote: post #376

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>no bargaining power Your bargaining power is that there are a dozen other food suppliers and tens of thousands of other common food items you could sell instead. No store is going to cry and go bankrupt because they can't sell Ding Dongs. Also, there are chains of hardware stores, chains of coffee shops, chains of everything which have additional bargaining power. And if the selling price is so high then everyone is…

Too bad. There is no shortage of food brands. i think aldi is known for not selling otherwise well known brands. but from my memory hofer in austria is selling way more common brands than aldi in germany. the discounters are known for selling brand products under a different label. i guess the brands go along with that because that way their brands higher prices elsewhere are not undercut because consumers don't reco…

Hard to pin this on "big business" when you just said that "austrians want products sourced in austria"

Re: Tracking Austrian grocery prices by scraping store sites

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Post by em-bee »

iraqmtpizza wrote: post #391
em-bee wrote: post #383

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Too bad. There is no shortage of food brands. i think aldi is known for not selling otherwise well known brands. but from my memory hofer in austria is selling way more common brands than aldi in germany. the discounters are known for selling brand products under a different label. i guess the brands go along with that because that way their brands higher prices elsewhere are not undercut because consumers don't reco…

Hard to pin this on "big business" when you just said that "austrians want products sourced in austria"

it can be both.

austrians wanting products from austria doesn't automatically make everything more expensive. it only makes it more difficult to open a store that attracts locals. stores with imported products do exist but they don't have many of the products that everyone wants.

Re: Tracking Austrian grocery prices by scraping store sites

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Post by iraqmtpizza »

em-bee wrote: post #389
iraqmtpizza wrote: post #386

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Some people claim that there's a cartel to blame But I know, it's my own damn fault

it's not a cartel but big businesses acting in their own interest. if you think you can do something about that i'll eagerly await your new shop.

so you're saying that big business should have colluded to brainwash the population into liking foreign products? they should have had better marketing? or lobbied government to force the population to buy more imported goods? How exactly is big business even one percent to blame in this scenario?

Re: Tracking Austrian grocery prices by scraping store sites

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Post by iraqmtpizza »

orangepurple wrote: post #390
iraqmtpizza wrote: post #387

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Why in the motherfuck would it be a bad earnings report when, according to this conspiracy theory, gross margins on food would have gone from 1% to 43%? Conservatively that would lead to a ten thousand percent increase in the stock price. Yet instead the stocks of Metro AG and SPAR Group, Inc. are down 25 or more percent YTD.

What is your point? I'm saying that stock markets are driven by perceived future value rather than some economic reality.

earnings is economic reality and it directly, materially affects the long-term value proposition of the equity. you didn't know that?

Re: Tracking Austrian grocery prices by scraping store sites

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Post by Thorrez »

vjerancrnjak wrote: post #382
Thorrez wrote: post #326

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That's also going to increase the price of goods due to the CO2 tax on goods production and distribution. But with the klima distribution it evens out. People who consume more will lose and people who consume less will win.

KlimaBonus is made in such a way that people who consume more get more.

It looks like it's designed so that people who live in the country get more, not necessarily those who consume more. Within a region, everyone gets the same amount. So within a region, those who consume less win, and those who consume more lose.

Re: Tracking Austrian grocery prices by scraping store sites

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Post by poorlyknit »

bowsamic wrote: post #143
the-dude wrote: post #15

Potatos ( in or outside supermarket, large bags ) have literally doubled in price YoY in NL. I get 5kg instead of 10kg for the same price. Same month, last year.

I'm still shocked after moving to Germany how much more expensive potatoes are here than in the UK. British loose potatoes are 70p per kg from Sainsburys. I'm sure you could get them cheaper elsewhere. Here in Germany the absolute cheapest is like 1.40 euro per kg, much more common 2.50 (!!) The wage is a little higher so I have adjusted somewhat, also the quality is arguably slightly better, but still... There are o…

You might like to check out the cheaper end supermarkets, you can get 1kg potatos for 0.60ct at my local Kaufland (when they're discounted). Just get enough so they last until the next discount. Normally they're around 1.00€.

Re: Tracking Austrian grocery prices by scraping store sites

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Post by manmal »

iraqmtpizza wrote: post #370
manmal wrote: post #366

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There is a lot of cross border shopping, both online and offline, so, yeah. You seem to severely underestimate shipping costs though. For perishable goods, of which you buy max €30 every few days, you’d pay at least €10 express shipping fees. And then you have no control over which pieces you‘ll get (hard avocados & soft apples). Also, shipping heavy stuff like sparkling water crates is obviously prohibitively expens…

Shipping costs are price fixing now? We're talking about the brain dead price fixing theory. Stay on topic. I'm not the one underestimating shipping costs. The theorists are.

A retailer can ship way cheaper from Germany to Austria than an online retailer using postal service. The price difference is not shipping costs for retailers, but postal shipping costs make cross border shopping often uneconomic for customers.

Re: Tracking Austrian grocery prices by scraping store sites

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Post by bowsamic »

poorlyknit wrote: post #396
bowsamic wrote: post #143

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I'm still shocked after moving to Germany how much more expensive potatoes are here than in the UK. British loose potatoes are 70p per kg from Sainsburys. I'm sure you could get them cheaper elsewhere. Here in Germany the absolute cheapest is like 1.40 euro per kg, much more common 2.50 (!!) The wage is a little higher so I have adjusted somewhat, also the quality is arguably slightly better, but still... There are o…

You might like to check out the cheaper end supermarkets, you can get 1kg potatos for 0.60ct at my local Kaufland (when they're discounted). Just get enough so they last until the next discount. Normally they're around 1.00€.

Perhaps it’s because I’m in Hamburg, but Kaufland is nowhere near that cheap

Re: Tracking Austrian grocery prices by scraping store sites

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Post by barrkel »

tauchunfall wrote: post #257
barrkel wrote: post #83

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Famously cheap Switzerland. I get the feeling that the same tricks are being played in Switzerland. Coop and Migros feel a lot like a duopoly, and discounts also cyclical. Not unusual to see 40% discount on outrageously overpriced detergents, for example. I do most of my shopping in Germany.

It's also a difference in mentality. Germans just want cheap stuff. Swiss restaurants also feel overpriced. But I've never been to a bad Swiss restaurant.

I have never been to a great Swiss restaurant. They're ok. I eat much better in London and Paris, as a rule.

Re: Tracking Austrian grocery prices by scraping store sites

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Post by lotsofpulp »

great_psy wrote: post #377
lotsofpulp wrote: post #72

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What if grocery stores operate on very, very low profit margins, on the order of low single digit percentages, and hence if their vendors (including employees) increase prices, then they also have to increase prices (or else they go out of business), and that is why multiple grocery store businesses increase prices at the same time (because Nestle/Mondelez/etc are increasing prices for all of their buyers at the same…

Just to clarify, are you saying this is the excuse shops can use in front of a judge? or that OPs conclusion is actually wrong, and there is no collusion among shops to start with, just fair and square supply and demand ?

Based on retail stores' long history of miniscule profit margins, there is no evidence of collusion among shops.
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