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Ted Kaczynski has died

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Post by dpflan »

getmeinrn wrote: post #379
bkohlmann wrote: post #352

One of my good friend’s dad was brutally murdered by Kaczynski when she was a young teenager. A small bomb in a package that used razor blazes, nails, and other bits of metal to nearly tear his head off while his young family was in the house with him. And it turns out the victim was the “wrong” man, as he didn’t even work on the project Kaczynski wanted to bring “retribution” for. Kaczynski May have said some intere…

I don't know much about the Unabomber's victims. Where can I read about your friend's dad?

This Netflix documentary on the Unabomber was pretty interesting; there are other sources I'm sure, but this seemed good. His participation in a multi-year Harvard psychology study was a fascinating facet to the story and his development.

Unabomber: In His Own Words

https://www.netflix.com/title/81002216

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Post by jongjong »

crhulls wrote: post #31

His manifesto is worth reading. Although he was obviously a twisted man many of his predictions for the future were eerily prescient. http://editions-hache.com/essais/pdf/kaczynski2.pdf

It's weird reading the first page and realizing that this was written in 1995. I didn't get a sense that any of these would have been relevant at that time in the country I was living though it seems highly relevant today everywhere. The problem seems to have spread like a contagion.

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Post by 4gotunameagain »

searealist wrote: post #387
getmeinrn wrote: post #379

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know much about the Unabomber's victims. Where can I read about your friend's dad?

There are only 3 victims to narrow down. edit: Only one of 3 victims was killed in his home: > In 1994, Burson-Marsteller executive Thomas J. Mosser was killed after opening a mail bomb sent to his home in New Jersey. In a letter to The New York Times, Kaczynski wrote he had sent the bomb because of Mosser's work repairing the public image of Exxon after the Exxon Valdez oil spill.

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Post by amelius »

ginko wrote: post #360
lvass wrote: post #292

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Whatever the case may be, of the group of students that were subjected to these abusive experiments only one became a terrorist Source? What is the incidence of terrorism in that group and in the general population?

Well, whatever the size of the group is (let's call it X) it's at least 1 out of X. Which is almost certainly more than the general population.

And the p-value?

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Post by catiopatio »

chasing wrote: post #371

On one hand, he murdered a bunch of people and ruined a huge number of lives. On the other hand, wrote a mildly interesting manifesto that only attracted any sort of attention because it was published by The Washington Post in a desperate bid to figure out who he was so we could get him to stop murdering people. (Which worked, by the way.) So, y'know. Evens right out... Interested in his ideas? Read better manifestos…

None of what you said has any bearing on the intellectual validity of his manifesto. There’s nothing to “even out” — we can and do separate the work from the author.

I found some degree of edification in reading his manifesto, and I see no justification for your attempt to dissuade others from reading it.

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Post by yeck »

murderberry wrote: post #86
moffkalast wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't suppose anyone has a short summary?

"Technology bad." It's really that. He falls for the same trap many modern critics of progress do: the nostalgia for a world that never existed, when men lived meaningful lives in peaceful harmony with nature... juxtaposed with all the purported moral, societal, and environmental decay of today. Many people find it alluring today, but the themes are evergreen. They crop up in ancient Greece, in the Middle Ages, and t…

I think you are forgetting that the "modern society" you are familiar with is not ubiquitous and in our present moment there are many people that lead completely different lives than you. If you are not ignorant of this, then you are supposing that no one in a different circumstance may prefer it and fight for it.

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Post by opportune »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #53
mihaic wrote: post #25

The one thing I still wonder about Ted is actually how many more actually good and thought provoking "manifestos" like his are out there, only for nobody to push them to in the public's eye. After all, almost all smart people that identify uncomfortable truths won't go to extremes to convince strangers of actually giving their non-mainstream ideas a chance.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that "manifestos" are inherently elitist. I'm only aware of manifestos coming from people who speak with an air of self-importance. Kaczynski seems no different.

The Declaration of Independence was a manifesto

Had the American revolution not succeeded it would be relegated to being classified as a typical rebel manifesto that people basically do not care about

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Post by catiopatio »

arp242 wrote: post #349
lvass wrote: post #292

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Whatever the case may be, of the group of students that were subjected to these abusive experiments only one became a terrorist Source? What is the incidence of terrorism in that group and in the general population?

I don't have any data or sources on this; if my memory is correct the participants were actually anonymous and the only reason we know Ted Kaczynski participated is because of his brother, so we don't even know who the other people were. However, I expect if another one had also become a terrorist, we would have heard about it. There were just a handful of participants (1 or 2 dozen or thereabouts), so it's not reall…

Are you claiming that childhood bullying is equivalent to a program run by the CIA exploring the use of psychological torture and mind-altering substances?

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Post by [deleted] »

getmeinrn wrote: post #379
bkohlmann wrote: post #352

One of my good friend’s dad was brutally murdered by Kaczynski when she was a young teenager. A small bomb in a package that used razor blazes, nails, and other bits of metal to nearly tear his head off while his young family was in the house with him. And it turns out the victim was the “wrong” man, as he didn’t even work on the project Kaczynski wanted to bring “retribution” for. Kaczynski May have said some intere…

I don't know much about the Unabomber's victims. Where can I read about your friend's dad?

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