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Ted Kaczynski has died

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It's frustrating how he articulates so well the problems of modern society as it pertains to progress in human development, equality, and the environment, yet his actions were essentially the result of personal grievances against coworkers he didn't like. If only the 80's had twitter he'd be such a great poster.

you are aware that his mind was harmed when he was a child at Harvard, right? See https://exploringyourmind.com/the-harvard-experiment-that-le... .

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does that make him a hypocrite?

I guess he is a hero? I hope he didn't mail you anything before he died. He had a grudge and took it out on random people. He survived longer in prison than he did in nature. Weird/Toxic lifestyle, IMO.

But how does it make him a hypocrite?

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No mention of MKUltra, it doesn’t excuse his behavior but does explain why he may have been pushed over the edge.

Yeah I don’t think it excuses it at all but I wonder at what point it would? If MKUltra had removed 70% of his brain, would that excuse his actions?

It's not about forgiveness, it's about the story. MKUltra is a critical factor in this tale. And from a journalistic and social point of view, society would be a far better place if more people knew about MKUltra [1] than do. Beyond that it's also important to ever emphasize that actions have consequences which may not always be easy to predict. One of the countless reasons Machiavellianism is absolutely idiotic.

[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MKUltra

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No mention of MKUltra, it doesn’t excuse his behavior but does explain why he may have been pushed over the edge.

Yeah I don’t think it excuses it at all but I wonder at what point it would? If MKUltra had removed 70% of his brain, would that excuse his actions?

Is there more precise and credible information about MKUltra program and Ted K.?

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The one thing I still wonder about Ted is actually how many more actually good and thought provoking "manifestos" like his are out there, only for nobody to push them to in the public's eye.

After all, almost all smart people that identify uncomfortable truths won't go to extremes to convince strangers of actually giving their non-mainstream ideas a chance.

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It's frustrating how he articulates so well the problems of modern society as it pertains to progress in human development, equality, and the environment, yet his actions were essentially the result of personal grievances against coworkers he didn't like. If only the 80's had twitter he'd be such a great poster.

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Not really. It's a lot of disorganized nonsense with a high noise-to-signal ratio. Random excerpts:

> 14. Feminists are desperately anxious to prove that women are as strong and as capable as men. Clearly they are nagged by a fear that women may NOT be as strong and as capable as men.

> 15. Leftists tend to hate anything that has an image of being strong, good and successful. They hate America, they hate Western civilization, they hate white males, they hate rationality. The reasons that leftists give for hating the West, etc. clearly do not correspond with their real motives. They SAY they hate the West because it is warlike, imperialistic, sexist, ethnocentric and so forth, but where these same faults appear in socialist countries or in primitive cultures, the leftist finds excuses for them, or at best he GRUDGINGLY admits that they exist; whereas he ENTHUSIASTICALLY points out (and often greatly exaggerates) these faults where they appear in Western civilization. Thus it is clear that these faults are not the leftist’s real motive for hating America and the West. He hates America and the West because they are strong and successful.

> 22. If our society had no social problems at all, the leftists would have to INVENT problems in order to provide themselves with an excuse for making a fuss.

> 35. Everyone has goals; if nothing else, to obtain the physical necessities of life: food, water and whatever clothing and shelter are made necessary by the climate. But the leisured aristocrat obtains these things without effort. Hence his boredom and demoralization.

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Blowing people up is wrong. But his manifesto was right about many things. It’s interesting to skim through it every couple years.

> Blowing people up is wrong.

So is performing torture experiments on them to see what happens them locking them up when they crack.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess he is a hero? I hope he didn't mail you anything before he died. He had a grudge and took it out on random people. He survived longer in prison than he did in nature. Weird/Toxic lifestyle, IMO.

But how does it make him a hypocrite?

I you talk big, you must act big. You can't go around using a post office and subjecting yourself to prison time and lawyers. It's as simple as that. Otherwise you are not pure and sane and a real naturalist. In fact you're insane and a hypocrite living in prison for ~40 years.
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