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CATL has announced a new “condensed” battery with 500 Wh/kg

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> During the presentation, CATL said its working with partners on the development of electric passenger aircraft practicing aviation-level standards and testing in accordance with aviation-grade safety and quality requirements. Get ready for passenger drones[0], delivery drones[1] and just drones in general, because this is what this breakthrough means really. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lw6HDgv4ekE [1] https…

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It is a sign of the success of the oil industry that this analysis always takes the cost of electricity generation back to the source, but assumes that fuel stations pump from a perfect source of naturally refined/distilled hydrocarbons. It is surprisingly difficult to get numbers on how much oil is used to extract, refine and transport oil. The best I found was this: https://www.speakev.com/threads/energy-required-t…

I know Equinor publishes quite detailed numbers from their operations: https://sustainability.equinor.com/climate-tables The headline figure is maybe to compare 11.4 mill. tonnes CO2e emissions from "Scope 1 + Scope 2" (direct emissions from the company plus indirect emissions because they buy electricity and stuff), versus 243 mill. tonnes CO2e from Scope 3 (emissions from people burning the hydrocarbons sold). If t…

>EROI values for our most important fuels, liquid and gaseous petroleum, tend to be relatively high. World oil and gas has a mean EROI of about 20:1 (n of 36 from 4 publications) (Fig. 2) (see Lambert et al., 2012 and Dale, 2010 for references). The EROI for the production of oil and gas globally by publicly traded companies has declined from 30:1 in 1995 to about 18:1 in 2006 (Gagnon et al., 2009). The EROI for discovering oil and gas in the US has decreased from more than 1000:1 in 1919 to 5:1 in the 2010s, and for production from about 25:1 in the 1970s to approximately 10:1 in 2007 (Guilford et al., 2011). Alternatives to traditional fossil fuels such as tar sands and oil shale (Lambert et al., 2012) deliver a lower EROI, having a mean EROI of 4:1 (n of 4 from 4 publications) and 7:1 (n of 15 from 15 publication)

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S030142151...

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In ~15 years if you buy an ICE you also need to afford the gas.

in 15 years there will be so few ice cars on the roads that gas could very well be cheaper than electricity. Finding a gas station may be problematic ( although i doubt truck will move to electricity that soon)

At some point dramatically lower demand will start to push the gas price higher.

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Not that confusing, only the US measures fuel in gallons, isn't it? Everyone else just uses liters.

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Clam down, we are just talking about how measure systems. And the previous ones existed not because of cultural differences, but because every king and tyrant wanted to decide which stick their vassals should use to measure the world.

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Some people like freedom of choice, I guess. Like in a democracy, where you can vote whatever candidate you like, except here is with your wallet. Others like dictatures.

ICE produce proven carcinogenic pollutants. Your freedom to intoxicate other people goes against their freedom to remain unharmed. (Not to mention noise, environmental damage, geopolitical risks surrounding oil... all well proven stuff)

Oh, I am no fan of ICE engines, at all. Hate them, personally.

But I know how harmful heavy handed-mandates can be. I have seen the damage such mandates have already made in other instances with voters being then easily recruited and radicalized by populist politicians.

This is a delicate issue, already highly politicized and deeply hypocritical for both sides. Completely curtailing people’s freedoms is not the way to approach it, if you want to change anything.

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Hybrids that emit carbon will still have a huge effect on global warming, simply because there are so many cars. There isn't a huge amount of headroom for efficiency increases, so you're only going to get anywhere near "net zero" by charging from a renewable grid nearly all the time.

As to whether those hybrids have a 'huge effect' on 'global warming' depends on many factors but assuming the narrative around climate change - the term 'global warming' has been swapped for the latter since the average global temperature has gone down for a number of years after an earlier steady rise - in relation to the CO₂ hypothesis holds truth the main factor of importance is the source of the carbon used in th…

by the way, how did you do all those subscript formatting tricks?? It would be great to know how to post more advanced things in the comments here.

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Volkswagen has already been caught cheating (on its emissions) —- not sure I would trust their claims without an independent third party checking on that.

You can just hop into any diesel Golf/Passat and you'll get 50+ mpg without even trying. No need for third parties.

Mileage != emissions

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Finally. A proper engineering breakthrough deservedly getting recognition here. Unlike the mass in-flux of low effort GPT-laden BS promoted by the generative AI grifters. We need more of these foundational breakthroughs and less from the generative AI hype squad.

I feel like this is a misunderstanding of HN's niche... For most of my time here the majority of articles have been about social media and other consumer web and mobile apps. Which makes sense because that's what Silicon Valley has been up to and this is an SV rag. It's nice that there are also lots of nerds here who are interested in other, frankly way more interesting, technologies so we get a good number of articles about those too. But your criticism just strikes me as odd. Generative AI is much more interesting and fundamentally new than the stuff I was reading about here a decade ago when Instagram filters were the new hotness...

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> the absolute best theoretical efficiency of this might be 70% I fell down a rabbit hole and found this link, which gives 46% for the theoretical limit for the efficiency of the internal combustion engine. https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/98966/maximum-th...

Most power generation facilities are natural gas fired, using large aero derivitive gas turbine engines (essentially the same engine that is in the 747 - LM6000 vs CF6 for example) with a combined cycle steam turbine to capture the energy from excess heat. This arrangement has a thermodynamic efficiency of 60%. Even with electrical transmission losses, the efficiency is still far better (1.7X) than having the power p…

Not to mention, policing one large facility for compliance with emissions is much easier than trying to monitor every single one of millions of cars on the road.

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As to whether those hybrids have a 'huge effect' on 'global warming' depends on many factors but assuming the narrative around climate change - the term 'global warming' has been swapped for the latter since the average global temperature has gone down for a number of years after an earlier steady rise - in relation to the CO₂ hypothesis holds truth the main factor of importance is the source of the carbon used in th…

> the term 'global warming' has been swapped for the latter since the average global temperature has gone down for a number of years after an earlier steady rise You're just going to throw that out there? You'll cite the Fischer-Tropsch process, but not "actually global temperatures are declining"? Here[1]. The temperature hasn't gone down. The narrative hasn't changed from global warming because of this (the term wa…

You are pointing at a single year, I am pointing at a trend [1,2]. The trend had been for the average global temperature to rise up to 2012 to 2016 - depending on which measurements you look at. After that period the average global temperature has declined by 0.06°C per year up to 2022. This change in the trend made the "global warming" moniker easily attacked "because the temperature are clearly going down". This is why "climate change" became the more common term [3].

May I suggest a less belligerent/dogmatic attitude when discussing this subject? If the narrative holds it won't change the conclusion. If new data shows the narrative to be false or misleading - e.g. ice core records show the atmospheric CO₂ concentration to lag behind temperature changes, not lead them, climate sensitivity wrt. CO₂ concentration is low, feedback mechanisms are unclear, there are far too many fudge factors in the climate models to make them reliable sources - it will be much easier to adapt to the new situation. We're not talking religious dogma after all but scientific theory, that which can and should be discussed lest it turns into the former.

[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/...

[2] https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/why-did-ear...

[3] https://climate.nasa.gov/global-warming-vs-climate-change/

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