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Re: Google Bard waitlist

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Post by dcow »

anonzzzies wrote: post #387
dcow wrote: post #138

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Of course it’s silly but now there are data privacy laws everywhere that prevent a large company that makes money from just pressing “international release” and forgetting about it. Seriously.

How about taking privacy seriously everywhere and pressing ‘international release’ always because you can?

Well sure, but I'm talking about country-specific laws. Like in Canada you have to follow some strict rules requiring you to inform users about how your software updates itself and receive consent to update at registration time. In China the laws about sending automated SMS are more strict. GDPR considers IPs PII when the rest of the world generally does not. CCPA requires statements about how you use consumer data to be present during registration. And so on.

Basically, different jurisdictions recognize different individual data and privacy rights. Sometimes the requirements even conflict. It's not obvious that there is some universal way to treat data that is acceptable by all, nor what it would be if it did exist. Cookie banners are an example of this going horribly wrong. EU wants to "protect people" online so they require websites to ask consent to use cookies when every browser already allows users to configure cookie policy defaults and on a per-site basis in the settings. Everyone interpreted GDPR as some big movement towards user privacy and adopted cookie consent banners for all users as the "right thing" and the world is worse for it. EU is backpedaling on the banners. Multiple browsers offer features that block them outright.

You get the point.

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Post by knorker »

titaniczero wrote: post #370
knorker wrote: post #81

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No, language doesn't make sense. Everyone in Sweden knows English. Actually nowadays I bet higher percentage of Swedes know English than know Swedish.

> Actually nowadays I bet higher percentage of Swedes know English than know Swedish. Is that hyperbole? Because that would be very sad if true, culturally speaking. There are 5 different official languages in my country (Spain) and there are several laws to prevent them from becoming extinct for this very reason.

It's not hyperbole, but I also don't have data to back this up.

I guess I should say I'm counting adults. Everyone who went through mandatory schooling was taught English. Everyone who didn't (immigrated) is more likely to know English than Swedish.

So the only people who know Swedish but not English would be those who flunked out half way through mandatory schooling, or immigrants who knew neither English nor Swedish, and only learned Swedish.

Swedish is not disappearing (c.f. your example in Spain), but basically everyone speaking Swedish is (at least) bilingual.

Re: Google Bard waitlist

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Post by mhitza »

Pigalowda wrote: post #253
blitzar wrote: post #131

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So was having a facebook account

Facebook's early exclusivity was great for college kids and spreading amongst certain young people - making it cool. You had to have a .edu email to log in! It was also much better than Myspace. Google+ was mediocre and not better than the competition. Young people didn't care about it. The exclusivity was generated by a company - it didn't appeal to the user's inherent bias. Facebook initially appealed to narcissism…

Don't know about others but I really enjoyed Google+. The tech groups around there were pretty great, heck even Linus Torvalds used it to post some rants at the time.

Reader and Google+ were services I really enjoyed using for content.

Re: Google Bard waitlist

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Post by jfoster »

tauntz wrote: post #158

> Bard isn’t currently supported in your country. Stay tuned! Sigh. Google never learns. By the time they add support for using this in my country, there's no reason for me to use it anymore as competitors have already swept in. It's the same playbook with every US-only launch: 1. get everybody hyped up 2. make it accessible to only a minor subset of people but advertise it as a "launch" or "open beta" or whatever 3.…

> By the time they add support for using this in my country, there's no reason for me to use it anymore as competitors have already swept in.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't ChatGPT and Bing Chat already worldwide releases? So it's not as though anyone is sweeping in after Bard. They were out before Bard and global from Day 1.

Besides that, you're absolutely right, of course.

Re: Google Bard waitlist

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Post by Version467 »

3np wrote: post #251
Version467 wrote: post #223

The comments here are very interesting. I see very little about the actual performance of bard (and the few comments that do mention that it's worse than chatgpt because it uses a much smaller model to reduce inference costs). Instead most comments are either about country/workspace account restrictions, googles past history with sunsetting products, or their general lack of product releases in the ml space. Incredib…

There's likely something to that but: It's barely been 2h. The ones who bounce are obviously back early while the ones who actually engage are probably doing just that rather than posting here.

Good point. I did not consider that when writing the comment.

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Post by gck1 »

shuntress wrote: post #337
sebzim4500 wrote: post #334

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I think the geographic restrictions are especially relevant here since this is supposed to be Google's answer to ChatGPT, which launched months ago with none of these restrictions.

I think the parent's point is that the discussion should be "What limitations or concerns have prevented Google from launching this globally?" rather than a series of comments that are essentially all just: "sO lAmE tHiS iSnT GLOBAL?" .

When it comes to Google, I believe there are no limitations or concerns. They for some reason, just... don't care? There's a myriad of Google's services that are not available globally without a good reason for it. For example, Google Pay wasn't available in Georgia till last year. Local banks have been going back and forth with Google, asking for a launch for more than a decade, they would assist Google with anything they'd ask, but Google didn't care. Same with YouTube Premium, Music, Maps editor, to name a few.

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Post by blitzar »

mhitza wrote: post #394
Pigalowda wrote: post #253

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook's early exclusivity was great for college kids and spreading amongst certain young people - making it cool. You had to have a .edu email to log in! It was also much better than Myspace. Google+ was mediocre and not better than the competition. Young people didn't care about it. The exclusivity was generated by a company - it didn't appeal to the user's inherent bias. Facebook initially appealed to narcissism…

Don't know about others but I really enjoyed Google+. The tech groups around there were pretty great, heck even Linus Torvalds used it to post some rants at the time. Reader and Google+ were services I really enjoyed using for content.

Google+ was excellent. I liked the social graph that was the "circles" (nice data mining of my effort to create the circles google) - this was in the days where when you posted to social media you were posting to people no to public.

Now that I think about it, my whatsapp groups intersect in a similar manner, and people post (manually) the same thing to multiple groups, but not every group we have in common.

Re: Google Bard waitlist

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Post by novaRom »

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #347
jakeinspace wrote: post #288

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CatGPT is a better name than ChatGPT, perhaps that’s why it’s taking off (allegedly) in France.

I think one of the reasons it's working so well here is because formal writing is still a big thing: - heavy administration - schools have a strong emphasis on essays - getting a job often implies writing a cover letter And since French is not easy, so many people find it to be a barrier to entry. While I love GPT for quickly giving me code snippets of things I would take minutes to come up with, my friends have this…

chatGPT is great to rewrite certain text in grammatically correct and simplify or make it more formal, etc.

Re: Google Bard waitlist

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Post by endtime »

a_f wrote: post #359
endtime wrote: post #180

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> This Google Account isn’t supported > Bard does not currently support Google Workspace accounts or when our systems indicate you may be under 18. Learn more Google: 15 years of punishment for being a loyal Dasher/ Google Apps/GSuite/Google Workspace user.

I wonder if it is for the best - imagine getting locked out of your work account becuase of some flagged request or response in Bard

Back in the day, Google Apps was pitched as a personal/family thing for custom domains. My email address - and those of, over time, dozens of family members - are hosted in this way.
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