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Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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Was the pandemic hiring spree coordinated also? Just copycat behavior the whole way through imo.

ZIRP allowed companies to borrow infinite money at almost no cost

What mechanism allowed that? From what I recall corporate bond rates were low but not no cost low. Bank rates maybe were like a few percent but infinity money?

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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We have done the same at Zendesk. We've reduced our office footprint but have kept our hubs open with large enough offices open for the occasional large on-site and for easier team collaborations, as well as space for anyone that prefers to work in an office environment. I like the model, but I question long term economic viability of owning that much office space with mostly low utilization and only occasional spike…

I'd be interested what the financial analysis looks like leasing or owning hubs vs a cadence of offsites annually remote first orgs usually hold, considering meeting space + hoteling for staff during the meet. I'll chip in for this analysis and blog post!

Most employers provision ~100sq/ft per employee. In SF real estate goes for $50-$70 per sq/ft per month. Obviously there’s negotiating that happens.

You could do a lot of travel with a 5-7k budget per month.

There are a ton of variables- agree more analysis is needed.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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I'm sure this will do wonders to all the broken features github keeps adding since being acquired.

At one point I stopped thinking about github because it Just Worked. These days its a dice roll if even simple things like loading a repo page or perusing the notifications actually does what its supposed to.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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Officies, especially the great ones (as in also very expensive) create an irrational emotional attachment and are very hard to downsize on them without impacting morale.

It’s disturbing to think that people think human connection is irrational. I guess y’all forgot that that was how labor unions were formed.

Most of the history of labor unions involved meeting in secret in venues outside of work's control. Very few labor unions were ever formed in the halls of an office building.

Also, human connnection isn't irrational, but expecting all or most of your human connections to come from your job may be.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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What you don't like collaborating in the excel web app and wiping your coworker's active cell edit from existence by inserting a row somewhere above it? Next you're going to tell me you don't enjoy powerpoint web app randomly changing formatting in bulleted lists when you do something as complex as hitting enter to add a new line. You can tell where Microsoft spent their energies (outlook, teams, maybe onenote?) and…

> were sharepoint web apps ARE still sharepoint apps. At least that's how they feel.

Oh yeah for sure. I think I meant to say on-prem sharepoint web apps. Which were terrible. Just like SharePoint. SharePoint and every single one of its components really embodied everything wrong with Microsoft's culture. It was distilled awfulness, lack of attention to detail, terrible customer experience, awful UX and just insane architecture decisions that still impact 365 to this day. The SharePoint list limit that Teams hit when you added too many people to a team (since worked around or fixed) a couple years ago is a prime example.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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What does closing all offices mean? Do they go full remote or employees are going to move to Microsoft offices

GitHub was already fully remote since forever, and long before Covid. The offices were just there as an option for employees who happened to live nearby, and for occasional, in-person meetings, but I doubt there was a single person who worked there full time. This isn't big news for the majority of GitHub employees.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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This metaphor doesn't work for me. Source code is not analogous to organizational behavior. Not to mention it gives readers confused context about the link, which is about GitLab layoffs.

xpe is taking everything 100% serious here.

I have a sense of humor; the above was meh

P.S. and that attempt at humor definitely involved metaphor

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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You missed them by that (tiny-fingers-gap) much. I'm just old enough to have witnessed the dot-com crash a few years before I went into industry; this feels very similar. In fact, it feels a little less intense; the dot-com crash was about an entire business model consolidating under an absolute handful of winners (example: most independent online stores went "We can't compete with Amazon" and bankrupted, laying off…

This is right. The dot-com crash was an absolute crash. Not "we're laying off 5-15% of our company." It was a lot of "This media darling that had an IPO after 2 years of operations no longer exists." In my social group of about 30 folks, I think at ~25 of us all experienced months of unemployment, at the least.

I was out of work for about 13 months, and it was miserable.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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I am absolutely certain this is to suppress wages and employee rights. It is a coordinated effort across the industry and should be immediately investigated.

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor

Never has a phrase been so horribly exploited than by bad actors wishing to present themselves as innocent buffoons.

Conversely: “the greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist”.

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