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Re: The bottom is dropping out of Netflix

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Post by hypertele-Xii »

hardwaregeek wrote: post #268
cercatrova wrote: post #101

It's easier just to pirate than keep up with all these streaming services. - You get the benefit of high quality (true 4k, not stream compressed "4k") and no buffering. - Plex, Radarr, Sonarr automatically downloads and categorizes your content for you, you can just sit back and enjoy your content. - Edit: Plex et al are not the *only* ways to download content, not sure why some replies are thinking so. I too can typ…

I don't know how to phrase this nicely, but this is precisely the type of Hacker News nerd-blindness that I find amazing. It's "easier"? Is it? For young children who want to watch their kids shows and don't know what 4k means? For grandparents who want to see some k-dramas and have no clue about DRM or geo-locked? Sure, Netflix has issues and it's made some bad decisions, but let's not delude ourselves here. The gro…

Or you could just open Tor browser, search the pirate bay and download stuff with a bittorrent client.

That's easy.

Re: The bottom is dropping out of Netflix

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Post by Stunting »

isatty wrote: post #346
Stunting wrote: post #291

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're stealing income, specifically from me and all of my coworkers. Perhaps you think that you're only stealing from Producers and A list actors, but there are entire departments that receive residuals on a production. - On screen performers, stunt performers like myself and actors who grind out a comfortable living. Those residuals also go to qualifying for health insurance through earnings. You are directly steal…

Well then let us pay for shit in a convenient way. Like OP said, if there’s something like steam or Spotify then I’d gladly pay for it. I still rent movies weekly on AppleTV because it’s a convenient experience. Geo gating, shitty compression and making us choose between n apps is not the way. Also, we’re going to end up with shitty generated content regardless of my $10. If you’re making strong statements like OP is…

you are able to pay for individual film and tv shows right now through Amazon and Apple, i'm sure others.

I do advocate for change, within my own union. Today I am educating consumers on who exactly they are stealing from when they pirate shows.

Re: The bottom is dropping out of Netflix

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Post by Stunting »

rambambram wrote: post #375
Stunting wrote: post #291

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You're stealing income, specifically from me and all of my coworkers. Perhaps you think that you're only stealing from Producers and A list actors, but there are entire departments that receive residuals on a production. - On screen performers, stunt performers like myself and actors who grind out a comfortable living. Those residuals also go to qualifying for health insurance through earnings. You are directly steal…

Impressive list of movies! And a very good point you make. NB: Your website loads pretty slow for me (I'm in Europe), and the video on the homepage is unavailable, it says.

Thank you, It's long overdue to update. I appreciate the bump

Re: The bottom is dropping out of Netflix

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Post by hutzlibu »

Stunting wrote: post #344
californical wrote: post #314

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it really stealing if they wouldn’t have ever paid for it in the first place? If it’s not easy to find and use on a subscription service that I already have, I’m just not gonna try to search for it or pay for it. What difference would it make if I pirated it and watched it anyways? (FWIW I personally don’t pirate anything, I just really don’t see the merit to the “stealing” argument)

Yes it is really stealing. You want something. You don't want to pay for it. You take it without paying. That's stealing. If you really truly didn't want to watch it, you wouldn't steal it.

But you agree, that there is a difference between copying information and taking physical objects away?

Re: The bottom is dropping out of Netflix

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

fortran77 wrote: post #282
hardwaregeek wrote: post #268

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know how to phrase this nicely, but this is precisely the type of Hacker News nerd-blindness that I find amazing. It's "easier"? Is it? For young children who want to watch their kids shows and don't know what 4k means? For grandparents who want to see some k-dramas and have no clue about DRM or geo-locked? Sure, Netflix has issues and it's made some bad decisions, but let's not delude ourselves here. The gro…

Exactly. I’m a 59 year old man who knows how to pirate, but watches his content from streaming providers because it’s simpler and safer, and I don’t like to steal. I don’t think piracy is what’s killing them. It’s that there are too many streaming providers and people don’t hesitate to drop subscriptions. I tend to subscribe when there’s a deal, watch everything I want to see, then drop it and switch to another one f…

This.

I'm a 60-year-old (Do I win a kewpie doll?), and have the tech chops to pirate, but I don't want to.

It's important for me to live a life of Personal Integrity. That stance gets a lot of chuckles with this crowd, but it's of critical importance, in my life.

I'm fortunate, in being able to afford streaming services, but find the profusion and variety to be a mess.

I like AppleTV Channels, and the way that the AppleTV Watch Now app aggregates the apps. Amazon has something similar, that my wife uses.

Unfortunately, it looks like these knuckleheads can't agree on common licensing models. I don't want the "You can have any color you want, as long as it's black." approach of cable bundlers, but I also don't like the myriad ways of subscribing, or, quite frankly, the ever-changing prices.

They need to get their shit together.

Re: The bottom is dropping out of Netflix

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Post by hackernewds »

dv_dt wrote: post #356
danans wrote: post #322

I doubt most of the subscription loss is attributable to reasons that most HN types go on about (the rants about wokeness, not enough scifi, carousel UI, pirating etc...). What's probably going on is after after a few years of pandemic isolation and Netflix binging, the arrival of pandemic triggered inflation, and overall higher employment rates, people just have less interest, time, and money to binge watch longer f…

Especially if the streaming service tells you it's going to raise prices and crack down on password sharing. It's bringing the customer's attention to the subscription service at exactly the wrong time. Edit: missed a "the"

Best thing a subscription service can do is not remind me that I'm subscribed. The constant price increases were poorly planned, against the lack of good content - since Stranger Things and House of Cards can't recall much attaining that level of vitality (besides maybe Squid Games)

Re: The bottom is dropping out of Netflix

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Post by Stunting »

JohnTHaller wrote: post #370
ProAm wrote: post #336

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> Stop stealing our shit. While I agree with your sentiment, you can also make a better product. This is an easy fix with some of the smartest minds in the industry. People showed Netflix early on they were willing to PAY for ease of use.

You're responding to a stuntperson who, unfortunately, has no control over the distribution of the product they worked on.

Yet. I do have minor creative input depending on the production. When an audience shows they enjoy something I am able to argue more fiercly to include a similar thing into the next one.

And someday I'll be makign my own productions.

Re: The bottom is dropping out of Netflix

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Post by tigertigertiger »

bin_bash wrote: post #345
californical wrote: post #314

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it really stealing if they wouldn’t have ever paid for it in the first place? If it’s not easy to find and use on a subscription service that I already have, I’m just not gonna try to search for it or pay for it. What difference would it make if I pirated it and watched it anyways? (FWIW I personally don’t pirate anything, I just really don’t see the merit to the “stealing” argument)

> Is it really stealing if they wouldn’t have ever paid for it in the first place? Since when does it matter if I would've paid for it? If someone steals a Mercedes from a dealer is it not stealing if they wouldn't have bought it anyways?

The difference is obvious. If they steal a Mercedes it's gone, the car dealer does not have it anymore.

Re: The bottom is dropping out of Netflix

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Post by rhino369 »

californical wrote: post #314
Stunting wrote: post #291

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're stealing income, specifically from me and all of my coworkers. Perhaps you think that you're only stealing from Producers and A list actors, but there are entire departments that receive residuals on a production. - On screen performers, stunt performers like myself and actors who grind out a comfortable living. Those residuals also go to qualifying for health insurance through earnings. You are directly steal…

Is it really stealing if they wouldn’t have ever paid for it in the first place? If it’s not easy to find and use on a subscription service that I already have, I’m just not gonna try to search for it or pay for it. What difference would it make if I pirated it and watched it anyways? (FWIW I personally don’t pirate anything, I just really don’t see the merit to the “stealing” argument)

>Is it really stealing if they wouldn’t have ever paid for it in the first place?

>If it’s not easy to find and use on a subscription service that I already have, I’m just not gonna try to search for it or pay for it.

That is easy to say when you just take it for free regardless. I strongly suspect people saying that would actually pay for a decent amount of it if piracy wasn't an option.

And the number of pirate I know would plop down 15 bucks for a movies (since CAMs and TSs are terrible copies) but won't pay for a movie on VOD (since they can pirate it in clear 4k) confirms my suspicions.

Re: The bottom is dropping out of Netflix

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Post by threwsacompany »

Stunting wrote: post #291
cercatrova wrote: post #101

It's easier just to pirate than keep up with all these streaming services. - You get the benefit of high quality (true 4k, not stream compressed "4k") and no buffering. - Plex, Radarr, Sonarr automatically downloads and categorizes your content for you, you can just sit back and enjoy your content. - Edit: Plex et al are not the *only* ways to download content, not sure why some replies are thinking so. I too can typ…

You're stealing income, specifically from me and all of my coworkers. Perhaps you think that you're only stealing from Producers and A list actors, but there are entire departments that receive residuals on a production. - On screen performers, stunt performers like myself and actors who grind out a comfortable living. Those residuals also go to qualifying for health insurance through earnings. You are directly steal…

And you are stealing people's attention spans. Which is more criminal?!
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