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Re: Apple Mac Studio

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Post by infinityio »

brimble wrote: post #282
BonoboIO wrote: post #264

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But if it works, well its better than Jony Ive‘s „design is everything, function is last“ approach. - Like the Mac Pro (2013) which was thermal limited even with the launch configuration and could not be refreshed because more power would mean less power through throttling - Magic Mouse 2 which well u could not use while charging - Macbook Pro Touchbar which is there because there was nothing else to „inovate“ - MacB…

I agree with some of this, but will note that actually using a Magic Mouse 2 cured me of joking about the design (I was entirely on the "LOL how dumb" train before that). It wasn't an issue, in practice, and did keep me from just using it plugged in all the time (which is what I tend to do with other wireless things at my desk that have integrated rechargeable batteries).

I think the main issue with the magic mouse 2 is that over time, as the batteries wear out, the effective life of the mouse risks dropping so much that you may eventually be unable to use it for a full work-day, whereas the previous solution of AA batteries had 'infinite' longevity - while it wouldn't be too much of an issue when new, it harms the resale value

Re: Apple Mac Studio

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Post by dopu »

srvmshr wrote: post #84

I am genuinely crestfallen that there was no update to Mac Mini. That thing has the right balance for most computer science folks who want a Mac. Not everyone needs/runs a silicon Godzilla on their desk after all. As of the current lineup, Mini is still stuck with 16 GB RAM and a disappointing number of ports.

I initially thought the Mac Studio was the "pro" version of the Mac Mini. But no -- they're still selling the i5/i7 mini. This makes me wonder whether they're going to update it at all. Maybe they'll just quietly drop it at some point down the road?

Re: Apple Mac Studio

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Post by mcphage »

lwkl wrote: post #179
GeekyBear wrote: post #134

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The good news is that optimized iPhone, iPad, and Mac games now share most of their code and run on the same CPU and GPU cores. There aren't many Mac games that have been ported over to both Metal and ARM, but World of Warcraft is an example.

> but World of Warcraft is an example. Blizzard games are or were probably the outlier. They supported Macs even back in the PowerPC days. As a kid with a PowerBook G4 Blizzard games were the only good games I was able to play (Warcraft 3, WoW, Diablo). I have no idea if this is still the case for their newer games though.

> I have no idea if this is still the case for their newer games though.

Diablo 2 Remastered doesn't run on a Mac :-(

Re: Apple Mac Studio

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Post by dopu »

infinityio wrote: post #367
xienze wrote: post #117

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What update were they going to do? Make an M1 Max model? That would cut into sales for the base Studio.

They don't have a desktop M1 Pro implementation yet afaik?

This would make sense -- you can get the mac mini at the base M1, upgrade it to an M1 Pro, or jump up to a Mac Studio for M1 Max and above.

Re: Apple Mac Studio

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Post by girvo »

runjake wrote: post #366
radlad wrote: post #304

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No need for a dongle. Thunderbolt/USBC-DisplayPort cables exist.

I do this, and it supports 144 hz.

I do this, and sadly it won’t do 4K at 144hz, at least not with my Intel MacBook. Maybe the M1 can do it?

Re: Apple Mac Studio

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Post by thaw13579 »

tonguez wrote: post #247
thaw13579 wrote: post #111

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There's only a gap of roughly $500 between a maxed out mini and the entry studio, so perhaps the studio is the answer to what you're looking for?

M1 mini with 16GB RAM (most possible RAM): $1100 entry studio: $2000 That's a pretty big gap. Basically it means you have to shell out $2000+ if you want to do video editing on any M1 mac. Buying a brand new computer to do video editing that has only 16GB RAM in 2022 is unjustifiable. $2k+ is too much for most people especially young "creatives" that are making entertainment (videos). Lots of people here make hundred…

Maybe it's too much to expect a $1K computer to do heavy video work? Even then, I've been using an M1 macbook air myself for computational work, and haven't run into any memory issues and am surprised by how much power it provides for the price, and without a fan. The only issue I've had with the M1s is the display support, i.e. the mini only supports two displays and the macbooks only support a single external display.

Re: Apple Mac Studio

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Post by tonguez »

jazzyjackson wrote: post #379
tonguez wrote: post #247

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M1 mini with 16GB RAM (most possible RAM): $1100 entry studio: $2000 That's a pretty big gap. Basically it means you have to shell out $2000+ if you want to do video editing on any M1 mac. Buying a brand new computer to do video editing that has only 16GB RAM in 2022 is unjustifiable. $2k+ is too much for most people especially young "creatives" that are making entertainment (videos). Lots of people here make hundred…

> 16GB RAM in 2022 is unjustifiable. MacOS on ARM handles memory differently, try it you might like it. They can only print so many M1max chips at a time, they want to sell them in a high margin machine. Give em a year and the M1max will trickle down to the mini.

"MacOS on ARM handles memory differently, try it you might like it."

Wow, you sure have given me a lot to think about.

Re: Apple Mac Studio

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Post by newaccount74 »

ghostly_s wrote: post #288
newaccount74 wrote: post #191

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... if you can live with machines that just come with the bare minimum RAM and SSD. If you get the Macs with the same amount of storage that the PCs come with, the $900 laptop quickly becomes a $2000 laptop. I wish I could get back all the time I've wasted helping relatives deal with their Photos libraries and backups just because they got the entry level machine with skimpy storage...

How long did it take you to check the 'Optimize Storage' box?

That's a somewhat recent addition, and it does help somewhat with the Photo library problem. It sucks if you don't have a fast internet connection, though. It also sucks if there's ever a problem with the photo library, because then you don't have a backup anymore.

Maybe 240GB are enough for light usage if you store photos in the cloud. I can only say that in my experience 1TB is the bare minimum if I don't want to spend half my time copying files around.

Re: Apple Mac Studio

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Post by twoWhlsGud »

MisterTea wrote: post #348
nextos wrote: post #136

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This is very interesting because PC workstations have been stagnating for quite long! It'd be cool to be able to bring medium-sized tasks back from clouds to personal computers. The CPU performance is impressive but I wonder how well it'd fare against say an AMD ThreadRipper or a dual socket system with an equivalent price? It'd be also interesting to see a deep learning benchmark against Nvidia. Branding and RAM lim…

> This is very interesting because PC workstations have been stagnating for quite long! How have they stagnated?

Look at

https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/workstations-isv-certif...

or the HP equivalent - they're still equipping them with Xeon's from 2 1/2 years ago. So pretty stagnant.

Re: Apple Mac Studio

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Post by chaosharmonic »

nerdjon wrote: post #51
mshockwave wrote: post #41

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Same, I want to run AAA games using these crazy Mac hardwares. A more interesting question will be: how hard it will be to implement such Proton for Mac? Is there any previous project?

Doing some quick searching around. I know there is Crossover, Wine technically works on Mac from what I can tell also. So not sure if there is a technical reason Proton couldn't work on Mac other than just not building it. Apple does talk a lot about gaming now on the iPhone and iPad, I would love to see them talk about it more on Mac (especially with how powerful these are) and maybe work with Proton like Steam is f…

Proton also depends on DXVK, an additional translation layer that specifically bridges the Windows graphics APIs to Vulkan (as opposed to WINE handling its system calls in a general sense).

Meanwhile, newer versions of macOS (and the M1 that runs the ARM builds in particular) don't use Vulkan at all, opting for Metal instead.

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