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Apple said to be preparing for iPhones without SIM card slot in 2022

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Re: Apple said to be preparing for iPhones without SIM card slot in 2022

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Post by jackson1442 »

sandworm101 wrote: post #253
tablespoon wrote: post #193

I don't like it. Having a physical object the embodies your phone's identity is a lot easier to deal with in many ways than an ethereal emulation of said object. For instance, if I'm traveling I can just buy a SIM card at a kiosk and pop it in, even if I can only communicate through little more than pointing and grunting. Another example: I got a new phone recently, but since all my stuff was still on my old phone, a…

>> For instance, if I'm traveling I can just buy a SIM card at a kiosk and pop it in That is exactly what apple doesn't want you to do. They don't want users making deals with local ISPs for service. They want in on that transaction. Virtual SIMs, controlled by phone manufacturers, will allow them to exercise a degree of control over wandering users. If you are a local ISP, you better be part of the program if you wa…

> They want in on that transaction. Virtual SIMs, controlled by phone manufacturers, will allow them to exercise a degree of control over wandering users.

[ citation needed ]

eSIM is already a standard and as far as I can tell, Apple gets no kickbacks/etc for users using it. I can go to att.com right now and swap to an eSIM if I were so inclined, for free.

Re: Apple said to be preparing for iPhones without SIM card slot in 2022

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Post by dragon_greens »

aorth wrote: post #382
sandworm101 wrote: post #253

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>> For instance, if I'm traveling I can just buy a SIM card at a kiosk and pop it in That is exactly what apple doesn't want you to do. They don't want users making deals with local ISPs for service. They want in on that transaction. Virtual SIMs, controlled by phone manufacturers, will allow them to exercise a degree of control over wandering users. If you are a local ISP, you better be part of the program if you wa…

I don't understand. I can get an eSIM from my telecom provider and scan it with a QR Code to activate it in Android. I've done this with Telenor in Europe and Zain in the Middle East. It works great. I can even switch between them on the fly! How does the phone manufacturer have anything to do with it? My only wish is to support multiple eSIMs, as now I only have one physical SIM slot and one eSIM.

They added support for that (atleast with dual eSIMs) in iPhone 13s.

https://support.apple.com/en-in/HT209044

Re: Apple said to be preparing for iPhones without SIM card slot in 2022

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Post by sandworm101 »

aorth wrote: post #382
sandworm101 wrote: post #253

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>> For instance, if I'm traveling I can just buy a SIM card at a kiosk and pop it in That is exactly what apple doesn't want you to do. They don't want users making deals with local ISPs for service. They want in on that transaction. Virtual SIMs, controlled by phone manufacturers, will allow them to exercise a degree of control over wandering users. If you are a local ISP, you better be part of the program if you wa…

I don't understand. I can get an eSIM from my telecom provider and scan it with a QR Code to activate it in Android. I've done this with Telenor in Europe and Zain in the Middle East. It works great. I can even switch between them on the fly! How does the phone manufacturer have anything to do with it? My only wish is to support multiple eSIMs, as now I only have one physical SIM slot and one eSIM.

You can get one today. Tomorrow, after a "security update", apple could just decide that it doesnt like certain ISPs and reject thier virtual sims. Rejecting hardware sims is much more difficult and is likely a violation in many jurisdictions.

Re: Apple said to be preparing for iPhones without SIM card slot in 2022

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Post by danaos »

Godel_unicode wrote: post #262
threeseed wrote: post #142

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> but I really miss headphone jacks in mobile phones Buy a USB-C/Lightning to 3.5mm dongle and leave it permanently attached. Not ideal I know. But one benefit is that the DAC Apple designed in that dongle is so good that the sound quality far exceeds any phone with a built-in 3.5mm jack.

> ...far exceeds any phone with a built-in... This is absolutely not true, there are a ton of phones with better DAC/amp combos than the one on the Apple dongle (and even when the dongle is better, it's frequently not better by enough to be audibly different). Unfortunately some of the best analog audio came on phones that were made by LG who threw in the towel last year.

While "far exceeds" is a bold claim, the Apple dongle (specifically the A2049 model) is widely regarded as a great DAC for the money.[1]

[1]: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/r...

Re: Apple said to be preparing for iPhones without SIM card slot in 2022

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Post by rosndo »

deadc0de wrote: post #376
pieterhg wrote: post #354

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This hasn't been my experience. I use only eSIMs now on an iPhone 13. I buy eSIMs via Airalo's iOS app (not affiliated, not an ad but love it). It takes me 30 seconds from buying an eSIM in any country worldwide from their app, paying with Apple Pay, to having it active and working with data and voice line. I travel a lot and before it'd take 15 minutes to sometimes an hour of driving to a phone shop or finding it at…

The problem with services like Airalo is that they almost never give you a local phone number. In many countries getting a phone number involves showing a physical id.

Problem? This seems like a huge win, the sooner we get rid of phone numbers the better.

Re: Apple said to be preparing for iPhones without SIM card slot in 2022

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

Is anyone else aware of just how minority the complaints are here? Apple has the data for people that replace sims, it’s going to be far less minority than 3.5mm, and that’s never coming back either.

Do whatever makes you happy, but a lot of this seems like yelling at clouds to me.

Re: Apple said to be preparing for iPhones without SIM card slot in 2022

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Post by jandrese »

aorth wrote: post #382
sandworm101 wrote: post #253

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>> For instance, if I'm traveling I can just buy a SIM card at a kiosk and pop it in That is exactly what apple doesn't want you to do. They don't want users making deals with local ISPs for service. They want in on that transaction. Virtual SIMs, controlled by phone manufacturers, will allow them to exercise a degree of control over wandering users. If you are a local ISP, you better be part of the program if you wa…

I don't understand. I can get an eSIM from my telecom provider and scan it with a QR Code to activate it in Android. I've done this with Telenor in Europe and Zain in the Middle East. It works great. I can even switch between them on the fly! How does the phone manufacturer have anything to do with it? My only wish is to support multiple eSIMs, as now I only have one physical SIM slot and one eSIM.

And then to switch the eSIM to your other phone/hotspot is super easy right?

Re: Apple said to be preparing for iPhones without SIM card slot in 2022

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Post by arepublicadoceu »

Please correct me if I'm wrong but I feel that this is a first step to a complete power grab over telecoms from the phone manufactures.

1. Step one: Force everyone to use eSim

2. Step two: Bundle a internet plan through Apple One or whatever Google offers.

3. Step three: Move further to a world where all our entertainment and access to services goes through two players: Apple and Google.

I'm pretty sure in 10 years telecoms will be the next industry to be completely disrupted by FAANG companies.

Just think of how many services that 10 years ago was prohibitively expensive are now extremely cheap:

1. 10~15 years ago, long distances calls used to cost an arm and a leg.

2. SMS was still paid by message sent (in my country at least)

3. Even local calls was expensive.

I had to pay 10x in my local currency to "not" have what I now pay 1x.

Re: Apple said to be preparing for iPhones without SIM card slot in 2022

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Post by k8sToGo »

lostlogin wrote: post #381
k8sToGo wrote: post #379

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I imported my Pixel 5 to Switzerland which is technically not supported. Had to switch my esim to a physician because the esim didn't want to activate and also didn't get regonized by the phone. So much about support and independence.

> Had to switch my esim to a physician I assume that’s an autocorrect? I like it.

Yes. I meant physical sim.

Another thing that I just remembered is that my ISP only allowed me 10 activations on the e-sim before having to buy a new one for 50 bucks.

Re: Apple said to be preparing for iPhones without SIM card slot in 2022

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Post by BTCOG »

throw0101a wrote: post #285
sandworm101 wrote: post #253

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>> For instance, if I'm traveling I can just buy a SIM card at a kiosk and pop it in That is exactly what apple doesn't want you to do. They don't want users making deals with local ISPs for service. They want in on that transaction. Virtual SIMs, controlled by phone manufacturers, will allow them to exercise a degree of control over wandering users. If you are a local ISP, you better be part of the program if you wa…

> They don't want users making deals with local ISPs for service. They want in on that transaction. Virtual SIMs, controlled by phone manufacturers, will allow them to exercise a degree of control over wandering users. SIMs come from the phone company. How could it be otherwise as that's where the phone number comes from, and that's how the local physical network determines whether you're allowed to connect or not: *…

From rumors I heard over a year ago, Apple are planning on satellite implementations of some sort to get off current cell tower configurations and SIM vulnerabilities. I don't have a current link to those rumors, but I'm sure you can find them. When I first saw this MacRumors article come through I assumed this is why they're removing SIM. We'll see, it's just rumors to me until it's brought to fruition anyway.
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