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Apple said to be preparing for iPhones without SIM card slot in 2022

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Re: Apple said to be preparing for iPhones without SIM card slot in 2022

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This is marketing. It's about putting Apple in the middle of plans and activation, and getting rid of a physical standard.

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>working on my own eSIM implementation

Please tell me you are serious about this. Tried looking into this earlier and found out that eSIM is extra proprietary, which means no hobby devices, like those 3G/4G/GSM connectivity Arduino modules.

Re: Apple said to be preparing for iPhones without SIM card slot in 2022

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I don't understand this sentiment, instead of pleading with a phone manufacturer to implement certain features why not put your money where your mouth is and, you know, buy any of the pleothra of phones out there that do have a headphone jack.

Because it's not possible. I need a ~5.5" Android phone, with SD Card, OLED, 2 SIM, headphone jack and 3 years of software updates. Not sure there is a phone like that, so I don't know what I will be doing when my current phone dies.

I have more or less the same requirements and the Fairphone 3+ did it for me. Only downside is that spare parts take a long time (3+ months) to be back in stock.

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You mean if someone uses a million dollar zero day to hack an iPhone? You can still set a SIM pin on an iPhone eSIM as well, btw.

Plus if the concern is extraction of SIM keys from the iPhone, the iPhone already has some more valuable keys stored on it: those for Apple Pay cards.

True, I could not figger why attack me?, a retired 82YO geezer, in this way? See above as the only answer I was able to discover

Re: Apple said to be preparing for iPhones without SIM card slot in 2022

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I don't like it. Having a physical object the embodies your phone's identity is a lot easier to deal with in many ways than an ethereal emulation of said object. For instance, if I'm traveling I can just buy a SIM card at a kiosk and pop it in, even if I can only communicate through little more than pointing and grunting. Another example: I got a new phone recently, but since all my stuff was still on my old phone, a…

eSIMs can be bad or good. I hope eSIMs eventually reduce carriers to a network you can choose to connect to, like your wifi. Choose it, choose a plan set, enter payment, switch plans, done. Hell you could have multi-plans simultaneously.

Travel to a new country? Same thing. No apps should even be required, it should be a native OS functionality.

TBH the entire concept of a SIM isn't needed anymore, cellular networks should become like wifi networks, and should be as easy to switch between too, complete with phone number portability.

People remember the bad old days of CDMA where a phone was bound to a network and there was no way to change it's internal esim. It doesn't have to be that way and most of the world doesn't do phone locking that much or at all anymore, much like your phone's wifi.

When cell networks become like wifi, the government excuses for KYC to buy fucking cell service would be reduced even further.

Re: Apple said to be preparing for iPhones without SIM card slot in 2022

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I don't like it. Having a physical object the embodies your phone's identity is a lot easier to deal with in many ways than an ethereal emulation of said object. For instance, if I'm traveling I can just buy a SIM card at a kiosk and pop it in, even if I can only communicate through little more than pointing and grunting. Another example: I got a new phone recently, but since all my stuff was still on my old phone, a…

This hasn't been my experience. I use only eSIMs now on an iPhone 13. I buy eSIMs via Airalo's iOS app (not affiliated, not an ad but love it). It takes me 30 seconds from buying an eSIM in any country worldwide from their app, paying with Apple Pay, to having it active and working with data and voice line. I travel a lot and before it'd take 15 minutes to sometimes an hour of driving to a phone shop or finding it at…

>And I can run 2x eSIMs at the same time

Dual SIM devices were available for a long time.

Yes, most of them were dual standy sim, which meant that you wouldn't get calls from one while talking on another.

Re: Apple said to be preparing for iPhones without SIM card slot in 2022

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I don't like it. Having a physical object the embodies your phone's identity is a lot easier to deal with in many ways than an ethereal emulation of said object. For instance, if I'm traveling I can just buy a SIM card at a kiosk and pop it in, even if I can only communicate through little more than pointing and grunting. Another example: I got a new phone recently, but since all my stuff was still on my old phone, a…

This hasn't been my experience. I use only eSIMs now on an iPhone 13. I buy eSIMs via Airalo's iOS app (not affiliated, not an ad but love it). It takes me 30 seconds from buying an eSIM in any country worldwide from their app, paying with Apple Pay, to having it active and working with data and voice line. I travel a lot and before it'd take 15 minutes to sometimes an hour of driving to a phone shop or finding it at…

The problem with services like Airalo is that they almost never give you a local phone number. In many countries getting a phone number involves showing a physical id.

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Yes, I don't understand how this could be welcomed by anyone else than Apple. It gives flashback from time when Verizon had CDMA network and their devices did not have SIM.

What is the similarity to Verizon CDMA non SIM days if the phone is not locked to a carrier? Connecting to ATT/Verizon/T-Mobile/Vodafone should be as easy as choosing a Wifi Network.

In the CDMA days your non-carrier locked phone had trouble handling travel across the US, and forget about service in another country.

Carriers (Verizon and Sprint?) tried to improve it, but never really worked and the expense was high.

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>> For instance, if I'm traveling I can just buy a SIM card at a kiosk and pop it in That is exactly what apple doesn't want you to do. They don't want users making deals with local ISPs for service. They want in on that transaction. Virtual SIMs, controlled by phone manufacturers, will allow them to exercise a degree of control over wandering users. If you are a local ISP, you better be part of the program if you wa…

To me, there is nothing to indicate this is a power grab by Apple. Google supports eSIM. Google can sell you cell service for your iPhone from the couch. If any phone manufacturer is trying to compete with the carriers, it would look a lot like Google, which made a global MVNO. Yes, there is usually a business motive behind every business decision. The GSMA makes it sound like the carriers want it, as well as the pho…

I imported my Pixel 5 to Switzerland which is technically not supported. Had to switch my esim to a physician because the esim didn't want to activate and also didn't get regonized by the phone.

So much about support and independence.

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> Then you tap on the one you want, select the package you want, pay for it from that menu and then bam you are connected. And what if those menus are in some foreign language I don't understand? And how would that work with cash? I'd have to fork over my credit card (assuming that's even an acceptable form of payment) and may end up with a recurring charge for a cell plan in a country I'll visit for a week. Visions…

>And what if those menus are in some foreign language I don't understand? And how would that work with cash? The menus will be in whatever language your phone is set to. You can use contactless payment like Apple Pay or Google Pay and there's no recurring charge unless you want there to be one.

>contactless payment

You do understand how strange this sounds? Like airdropping files from C:/Downloads to C:/Archive

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