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Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by imbnwa »

tomp wrote: post #152
jraph wrote: post #134

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Good for you. You probably happen to use your Macs in a way you don't hit those bugs, and didn't have to deal with faulty hardware. I'm sure things are flawless most of the time too. My computers also go to sleep reliably. They are professional hardware, of good quality, and from different brands. I'm sure other models of other brands or of the same brands have quirks, or that there are people who have problems with…

Sure, but for a Mac, it's a "bug" or "faulty hardware". For XPS (and presumably many other Windows laptops), it's policy .

I've owned an XPS 15 and a 2015 MBP. Had this issue with sleep as well as the funky multi-monitor with distinct DPIs issues off the bat with the XPS, never had any of these problems with the MBP.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by CoastalCoder »

VortexDream wrote: post #140
JonyEpsilon wrote: post #37

I have an XPS 9500 and have found this infuriating. I think there's two separate things going on: As others have noted, S3 sleep isn't supported, only S1 "sleep to idle" sleep. But I don't think this is the direct cause of the overheating. In S1 sleep, the laptop can average something like 900mW of power usage, which is enough to annoyingly knock a few percent off your battery overnight, but not enough to make the la…

It's something about modern standby. I have a laptop with a 10th Gen i7. I put it in my bag once and when I pulled it out after my trip, the fans were running at full blast and the laptop was extremely hot. I'm also fairly sure it damaged the fan because it's never been able to run at higher speeds ever since. I'm also not sure if it's a bug or something else. I do feel like there's something problematic about modern…

Perhaps one root cause is that popular reviewers dig into battery life while the laptop is being used, but not when it's sleeping and/or powered down.

So manufacturers just neglect this side of things, or cut corners to save money.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by deaddodo »

lerela wrote: post #359
wing-_-nuts wrote: post #312

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I'm still rocking mine from 2016. It's been a stellar little linux laptop. Hopefully this gets sorted before I have to upgrade but I'm really good at stretching hardware on linux.

Only reason I upgraded was to get 32GB of RAM. So far, it's underwhelming...

I did the same, but I actually utilize this much RAM regularly.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by undoware »

I installed linux to fix this problem (it did, at the cost of the camera, which stopped working.)

Under linux, tho, I've watched my battery max-charge decline 32% in about eighteen months.

My theory is that the XPS uses some sort Windows-integrated software to determine when the charge in the battery is critically (=battery-damagingly) low. If there's a firmware or hardware failsafe, it's too generous.

Linux lacks this integration, so the laptop chews up its battery instead of going into suspend.

My old Linux-running ThinkPad did not do this, IIRC. If I fell asleep with it beside me in bed, it would eventually power down at about 3% charge. Not great, not terrible.

Yeah, eyeing the Framework here also.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by ngokevin »

filmgirlcw wrote: post #387

This is one of the main reasons I just returned my XPS 13 9310 and got a Framework instead. The sleep/standby/hibernate stuff is just bad. I don’t know if it is a Dell problem or a Windows problem or what, but it’s terrible. I’m primarily a Mac user but I haven’t had the same issue with other Windows laptops and the Dell has standby issues in Linux too so it’s just bad. And loud. And hot.

Most of my Windows laptops in the past would do this in a bag (e.g., Sony and Razor). I'd pin it on Windows, not saying it happens to all Windows laptops but Windows allows it to happen. It knows to sleep when shut, but somehow spins back up in the bag.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by InitialLastName »

wrs wrote: post #371
Mister_Snuggles wrote: post #329

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I prefer to put my computer to sleep rather than shut it down. Closing the lid on my computer, putting it in my backpack, and heading home for the day is very natural. When I get back to work the next day, I open it up connect the cables, scan my fingerprint, and everything's back where I left it. I usually go at least a month between reboots, but that's highly dependant on when updates come out (and get approved by…

And on a Mac it works either way, as you will get almost all of your context back even if you shut down rather than sleep. Windows still seems to start up as a blank slate, unless I’m missing a setting somewhere.

These days, Windows will try to recover your context, but the implementation (like many other modern features like display scaling) is dependent on the app. As far as I've been able to tell, roughly most Microsoft and Electron apps will recover their states on reboot; most other apps won't.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by satronaut »

gambiting wrote: post #383
kblev wrote: post #188

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Windows keeps waking up for random things, the problem is getting worse with every Windows release and Microsoft keeps removing more and more controls. Just a few days ago I spent hours trying to fix the constant wake-ups. This time it was a waketimer set by the StartMenuExperienceHost.exe process! [1] Microsoft already removed the Power Management tabs in Device Manager for most devices (mouse, etc.). They also remo…

My previous PC would wake up every night around 1am and I could never figure out why. I disabled every single wake timer, all kinds of wake permissions on devices, yet it would always wake up in the middle of the night. The power event in pc management only said "woken by: unknown source".

"unknown source", probably bill gates trolling you /s

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by deaddodo »

wrs wrote: post #371
Mister_Snuggles wrote: post #329

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I prefer to put my computer to sleep rather than shut it down. Closing the lid on my computer, putting it in my backpack, and heading home for the day is very natural. When I get back to work the next day, I open it up connect the cables, scan my fingerprint, and everything's back where I left it. I usually go at least a month between reboots, but that's highly dependant on when updates come out (and get approved by…

And on a Mac it works either way, as you will get almost all of your context back even if you shut down rather than sleep. Windows still seems to start up as a blank slate, unless I’m missing a setting somewhere.

I have literally never had macOS' restore session feature work correctly. It's so bad that I just decline it.

It will try to start up the applications I least care about; meanwhile ignoring the actual context I desire, which just slows me down more.

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Post by bobthecowboy »

filmgirlcw wrote: post #387

This is one of the main reasons I just returned my XPS 13 9310 and got a Framework instead. The sleep/standby/hibernate stuff is just bad. I don’t know if it is a Dell problem or a Windows problem or what, but it’s terrible. I’m primarily a Mac user but I haven’t had the same issue with other Windows laptops and the Dell has standby issues in Linux too so it’s just bad. And loud. And hot.

Yup, I bought that same model (to run Linux) on a long time reputation for Dell XPS on Linux and the power management is ridiculous. Absolutely terrible. Unplugged, mine won't hold a charge for more than a day unless it's shut all the way down. It loses something like 5% of battery power an hour. A buddy has one that's previous gen and it actually sleeps correctly.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by pletnes »

ngokevin wrote: post #395
filmgirlcw wrote: post #387

This is one of the main reasons I just returned my XPS 13 9310 and got a Framework instead. The sleep/standby/hibernate stuff is just bad. I don’t know if it is a Dell problem or a Windows problem or what, but it’s terrible. I’m primarily a Mac user but I haven’t had the same issue with other Windows laptops and the Dell has standby issues in Linux too so it’s just bad. And loud. And hot.

Most of my Windows laptops in the past would do this in a bag (e.g., Sony and Razor). I'd pin it on Windows, not saying it happens to all Windows laptops but Windows allows it to happen. It knows to sleep when shut, but somehow spins back up in the bag.

Same happened to me with HP and thinkpad laptops.
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