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Lithuania says throw away Chinese phones due to censorship concerns

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As stupid as it might sound, I do trust Pixel phones, and an hypothetical iPhone running a different OS, the most of all alternatives. If one want's a smartphone, if not just take a 20+ year old dumb phone. Or BlackBerry.

Good luck getting that 20 year old phone to connect to any modern wireless network. I don't think anyone is running a 2G network anymore.

I totally forgot that even 3G is going to be phased out.

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>> This implies that Xiaomi, and most likely all Chinese phone vendors and by extension CCP, has backdoors in all these devices. They don't need backdoors. They are the "administrator" of your phone just like Apple is on iOS and MacOS or Microsoft on Windows boxes.You are just a guest. It just happens that the chinese admins(aka vendors) don't mind being nasty and clumsy at the same time. All the manufacturers/vendor…

I think you will have a hard time proving beyond speculation that Apple or Microsoft has backdoors to their OS. Would be curious to see any sources though. I actually think that is the difference here, Chinese phones and possibly other devices have backdoors, but Apple/Microsoft likely do not.

I don't think you understand what is going on here. What you are saying is that iPhones cannot download data containing a list of things to block (or do whatever with) or that Apple cannot push an update. Xiaomi phones are downloading a JSON file. That has nothing to do with backdoors or remote access. In fact that whole debacle about Apple scanning a device for child pornography works just like it: Download data from a server and do something. If that is a backdoor than 100% of devices that are online are basically backdoored. Functionally this is no different than iOS downloading a list of apps to block.

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"Basically all consumer phones (save for a few cobbled together exceptions) implicitly accept arbitrary software updates from their upstream vendor." Actually ... all phones of all kinds explicitly accept arbitrary updates from the carrier in the form of java code that they can upload, and run, on your SIM card. Your SIM card is a full fledged computer with CPU, RAM and storage and your carrier can upload and run arb…

Yes, this is absolutely also true. However, there are some phones (including several iPhone generations) where the entire baseband/sim subsystem is isolated from the primary application processor and operating system, and essentially appears as something like a dumb USB modem that the OS can control / use / ignore as it pleases. In theory, this would make it difficult for a carrier to issue a baseband update that (fo…

>However, there are some phones (including several iPhone generations) where the entire baseband/sim subsystem is isolated from the primary application processor and operating system

Yes, that's what the developer says. Totally unverifiable though unless it is both open source and you built and installed the firmware yourself.. and still there could be hidden firmware running. This is no different than Intel saying we can trust them with the Intel Management Engine.

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I just helped someone remove the built-in Chinese malware from a US Government provided phone. It's insane. https://blog.malwarebytes.com/android/2020/07/we-found-yet-a...

Android 7? Then you don't need malware. It will be provided on first boot by multiple parties.

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I'm really not sure how serious I should take the threat of Chinese made electronics - almost all electronics are made China, not just Xaiomi and Hauwei. My iphone is made in China by Chinese contract manufacturer (Foxconn) - does that mean all iphones could be compromised with Chinese malware? It could be possible, but how can you tell? Is it possible to observe network packets going form my phone to a Chinese or Ch…

I think the whole discussion is missing the mark, so much so that I personally tend to believe that is the point. Your electronics spies on you, that's just how it is. The important question is if the data gathered could possibly hurt you now or in the future. We can only speculate on what thoughts and opinions become dangerous in the future. So with that said I would look at the problem from the perspective of "can this hurtful data be accessed by someone with reach to reach me". All the way from targeted advertisements to someone kicking in your door. That only leaves one answer as far as I can tell: Chinese phones are safer for everyone not inside China or maybe in one or two other countries. Using US electronics or software on the other hand and you can be reached in pretty much all the countries left out above.

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> the sophistication of their implementation is bound to increase You're right about this, including with backdoors. Electronics from China must be treated as treacherous computing devices that obey the orders of the Chinese Communist Party. If the West was sensible, we simply wouldn't buy any electronics from them.

Or manufacturer any product from there...why does the world continue to be stupid on China and pump up their economy by having the majority of their goods manufactured there? Its going to continue to bite us and everyone in the butt.

Because the supply chain for electronics manufacturing, and many other classes of products, is hard to replicate.

Large multinational corporations would love to shift production to Vietnam, Thailand, Indonesia or India, where labor is now cheaper than China, but there are logistics obstacles. Apple now manufactures some phones in India, but mostly older models.

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From the shared PDF page 23... "It has been established that during the initialisation of the system applications factory-installed on a Xiaomi Mi 10T device, these applications contact a server in Singapore at the address globalapi.ad.xiaomi.com (IP address 47.241.69.153) and download the JSON file MiAdBlacklistConfig, and save this file in the metadata catalogues of the applications. A list of applications for whic…

Similar lists existed within Google for their ("on hold" last I heard) project Dragonfly [0]. I saw a bunch of banned terms like these in the Dragonfly repo before they hid it from regular employees. It was a very long list. On it were also the names of specific activists and human rights lawyers, including some who'd been disappeared [1] or forcibly confined to mental institutions [2]. My impression is that Sundar w…

It was more clever than that. They tried to reverse-engineer the Great Firewall's block list by running queries from their Chinese office, so they could make a Chinese Censorship-compliant search engine that would work even outside the Great Firewall.

As for trust in Google, has anyone actually believed they are benevolent for the last decade or so?

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Are there any good non-Chinese smartphone besides Samsung? Preferably someone who delivers a stock android?

Not Android, but made in the USA: https://puri.sm/products/librem-5-usa (and can run Waydroid).

Made in the US is not a good thing as they spy even more than China. A good phone is open source and made outside China and Five eyes.

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"Free Tibet", "Long live Taiwan independence" or "democracy movement". Sent from my Xiaomi, let's see if it works. Anyway, I always thought if I have to use American phone backdoored by FBI or Chinese phone backdoored by China, I choose Chinese because they really cannot arrest me, unlike FBI.

backdoored by FBI : Which phone is that?

Any phone turned on and used inside the US. Of course the FBI might have to do some paperwork to get the data from the NSA, but not really.

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It is backdoored by : Pegasus, NSA, CIA, 14 Eyes

There is a difference between having the potential of access versus actually having software installed that scans keywords to phone home about. Wasn't everyone just outraged about apples csam because it could have the potential for intel agencies, like china's to abuse it by claiming political photos were csam?

Blocking something != phone home. This is about censorship, not spying. This is no better or worse than DNS filtering.

Besides, it is blocking on things like Al-Qaeda too. It's not some list of Freedom words.

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