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Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by NE2z2T9qi » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 12:02 AM UTC

dhjdjdjdndhdbs wrote: post #101

I fear REAL violence is coming. If people feel trapped and their voices aren’t heard it is just going to create a spring release. Like a cornered animal. These political activist employees and executives are going to get real people killed in the name of owning the President. Everyone on every side is so wrong here it is heart breaking. Trump has truly broken both the Left and the Right’s minds of this country.

I’m not even opposed to Biden, who is basically just a moderate Republican. But each day I get more and more outraged by the non-stop media smears and hysteria against Trump. I find my blood boiling at the hypocrisy—and I’m basically just a passive observer. For a real Trump supporter—of which there are tens of millions—I can only imagine the intensity of the hatred and anger that this speech suppression and new impeachment charade will cause. Instead of letting an old man go off to pasture and maybe start a little media company, they want to keep attacking and fanning the flames.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by mikestew » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 12:02 AM UTC

newguy1234 wrote: post #152

Rebelgecko wrote: post #54

Is it just my perception, or is their actual justification using the 2 quoted tweets kinda weak? Interpreting his boycott of an event as a call to violence seems like a huge stretch. It seems like they wanted to shoehorn a justification using his 2 latest tweets when the actual reason goes back further.

Yup and it might backfire in twitter's face because now apparently there is a mass exodus of conservatives going to platforms like parler. It is very likely that Trump will switch platforms and that will bring pressure on the stock price. I sold my TWTR shares and advise others to do the same.

I’m sure there exist those that soooo very much want this to affect Twitter’s stock price. But the reality is more likely that the number of those deleting their accounts and moving to Parler isn’t even a rounding error; floating point math on computers isn’t that precise.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by EmilioMartinez » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 12:02 AM UTC

rootsudo wrote: post #84

Comparing today's media, to the media of old - where they colluded to hide FDR couldn't walk because of the shame/and attacks it'd lead to now, where Tech companies overtook print media and now themselves control the pitchforks and direct anger at the masses. 1984 Two minutes of hate is real, so very real, and it's quite sad how most people welcomed this into the world. I've deleted my social media, twitters years be…

You might enjoy this take on the matter:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=YtRfmao1vvs

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by victorbojica » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 12:02 AM UTC

Honestly, I'm more interested in what kind of precedent this will set. I mean, a social platform censoring the president, and more so, banning it. We're living in interesting times.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by sangnoir » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 12:02 AM UTC

Rebelgecko wrote: post #54

Is it just my perception, or is their actual justification using the 2 quoted tweets kinda weak? Interpreting his boycott of an event as a call to violence seems like a huge stretch. It seems like they wanted to shoehorn a justification using his 2 latest tweets when the actual reason goes back further.

He got a 3rd strike. When twitter temporarily suspended him for 12 hours a few days ago, they explicitly warned him that any subsequent rule-breaking tweets would result in a permanent suspension.

Subsequently, he posted relatively tame, but still rule-breaking tweets, and he got banned for it. No surprises there.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by jacobolus » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 12:02 AM UTC

ficklepickle wrote: post #304

jennyyang wrote: post #125

Yes, I think this is actually it. After he basically commanded them to "Stop the Steal", I said that Facebook and Twitter would ban him. I also said that nuclear war was also on the table. If he is so unAmerican that he would actually tell his mob to attack the Capitol buildings, he really doesn't care about America at all. Being as petulant as he is, nuclear war is very much on the table. That's how crazy this situa…

I don't think the term "unamerican" should be used seriously. It has no strict definition and is often used to encourage an "Us vs Them" mentality and brings to mind the "no true Scotsman" fallacy. I believe tribalism is a vestigial trait most harmful to modern humanity and it should be discouraged whenever possible. We have changed our environment faster than evolution can keep up, so we are going to have to use our…

White supremacist violence clearly has a long history in America, and a significant support base, from the founding down to the present day. So calling it "un-American" is a bit selective about what counts as American.

What we can fairly call this is anti-republican and seditious.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by salimmadjd » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 12:02 AM UTC

I think DT helped resurrect Twitter from irrelevance. Which is why they tolerated him for so long.

Now that he is past his usefulness, they decided to suspend him.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by e40 » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 12:03 AM UTC

ve55 wrote: post #44

This ban seems to heavily take advantage of the current moment, as it's obvious that he has tweeted worse things in the past. It's strange that they picked such a poor way to justify the ban when they could have made a significantly stronger case, and in doing so could have convinced millions more people that they are trying their best to apply policies evenly. For example, I have a hard time imagining why they chose…

The difference this time: people died.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by Digory » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 12:03 AM UTC

SoSoRoCoCo wrote: post #291

jennyyang wrote: post #125

Yes, I think this is actually it. After he basically commanded them to "Stop the Steal", I said that Facebook and Twitter would ban him. I also said that nuclear war was also on the table. If he is so unAmerican that he would actually tell his mob to attack the Capitol buildings, he really doesn't care about America at all. Being as petulant as he is, nuclear war is very much on the table. That's how crazy this situa…

> I also said that nuclear war was also on the table. I think since he cowered so hard during his concession, he's done playing tough guy. He'll hand out medals and pardons and then run away. I can't believe how much like "Animal Farm" this whole thing played out. Almost verbatim with the constant attempts to scapegoat Snowball/Antifa. Although given that 80% of republicans think the election was stolen (and 40% of t…

More speech, not less. A "clamp down" on wrong think will result in martyrs.

They need to start explaining and persuading. Something Biden has not really been forced to do in this process, unfortunately.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by root_axis » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 12:03 AM UTC

ve55 wrote: post #44

This ban seems to heavily take advantage of the current moment, as it's obvious that he has tweeted worse things in the past. It's strange that they picked such a poor way to justify the ban when they could have made a significantly stronger case, and in doing so could have convinced millions more people that they are trying their best to apply policies evenly. For example, I have a hard time imagining why they chose…

Trump's own behavior is the strongest case imaginable, if you're not already convinced he deserves the ban nothing twitter says is going to change that.