Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump • Hacker News Board

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by esja » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:55 PM UTC

rat87 wrote: post #358

lalos wrote: post #69

Interesting how they sing a different tune once the other party finally gets certification of the election results, time to get 'cozy' with the new people in power and set up those dinners [1] and ad deals with them. [1] https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/trump-hosted-zuckerbe...

yeah I'm sure this had nothing to do with the attempted coup

Genuine request as I've seem this framing a lot and cannot understand it:

Can you point to the specific things that occurred which you believe were part of an attempted coup, and why you believe they were?

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by efdee » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:56 PM UTC

xxpor wrote: post #256

rohan1024 wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, now this will overshadow the WhatsApp blunder. Great timing.

Whatsapp doesn't have enough penetration in the US for that to have ever mattered. I'd watch the EU for news on that front.

Seems like the Whatsapp change doesn't really affect EU users.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by adamnemecek » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:56 PM UTC

rohan1024 wrote: post #154

lalos wrote: post #69

Interesting how they sing a different tune once the other party finally gets certification of the election results, time to get 'cozy' with the new people in power and set up those dinners [1] and ad deals with them. [1] https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/trump-hosted-zuckerbe...

Also, now this will overshadow the WhatsApp blunder. Great timing.

What's the WhatsApp blunder?

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by mc32 » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:56 PM UTC

wonderwonder wrote: post #323

mc32 wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So while the Capitol is very symbolic, there wasn’t looting, rioting or major vandalism on the part of the protesters (compare to the “Autonomous Zone” and police precinct burning in Seattle. Does that mean in the future demonstrations and protests that could potentially end up in violence like that be suppressed by Facebook and Twitter? Or can we expect partisanship and see them bless other protests that turn to vio…

They invaded the capitol with the sole intention of disrupting congress and preventing a constitutionally mandated handover of power to a democratically elected government. This was an attack on the democracy of the United States, not a building. To portray it as anything else is disingenuous.

As someone else mentioned we also had a group attempting to derail the confirmation of a Supreme Court justice earlier in last year.

Did Twitter et al get all twisted in a bunch about it?

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by chasd00 » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:56 PM UTC

rat87 wrote: post #358

lalos wrote: post #69

Interesting how they sing a different tune once the other party finally gets certification of the election results, time to get 'cozy' with the new people in power and set up those dinners [1] and ad deals with them. [1] https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/trump-hosted-zuckerbe...

yeah I'm sure this had nothing to do with the attempted coup

coup is a bit much. this happens from time to time at the state level, protesters push their way into chambers. they should have just been arrested, the police dropped the ball.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by djsumdog » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:56 PM UTC

ggrelet wrote: post #148

richardARPANET wrote: post #60

Zuck the PHP dev thinks he's Emperor.

Isn’t he, though?

Sadly yes, because people kept giving is platform power. Funny how they keep calling Trump the god emperor, when it's really Big Tech and Big Media. Just look at the comments on this post. No one is complaining about censorship; they're all claiming it should have been done sooner!

I bet no one one here has looked at one alternative news source for the past four year and eats everything CNN/MSNBC/FOX/NPR feeds them.

This is how the freedom to speak fails. I hope the big take away is that people start moving further and further away from these big platforms, and take their friends with them.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by jimbob45 » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:57 PM UTC

hammock wrote: post #304

dleslie wrote: post #245

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Occupying the washington monument is symbolic. Invading the capitol building to stop the electoral count and intimidate congress into overturning the election results is not symbolic.

What did you think of the Kavanaugh protestors who invaded the Capitol building to stop his confirmation? https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/408169-police-arrest-128...

I’ve always felt that we all just parrot and recycle the same opinions until someone introduces something creative and new into the conversation for us all to contend with.

This is genuinely new example of the hypocrisy of the left. I wonder how the apologists will contend with this.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by mrlala » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:57 PM UTC

th0ma5 wrote: post #231

All of these HN comments are defending shouting "Fire!" falsely in a theater under the guise of it being a slippery slope before all speech is lost. I have lost a lot of respect for these slippery slope arguments because they are easy to make and ignore the obvious problem which is that some speech shouldn't be tolerated... Especially intolerant or harmful speech.

Why does Facebook owe anyone a voice?

If you want a 'voice' then the GOVERNMENT should make a social media platform in which NO ONE at all can be censured. Because your silly free speech argument doesn't have anything to do with private companies, although you already knew that, but conveniently ignore it.

If Trump decides to start posting on HN, does HN owe him a voice?

You are the one making slippery slope arguments, not the other way around.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by CodeMage » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:57 PM UTC

hammock wrote: post #304

dleslie wrote: post #245

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Occupying the washington monument is symbolic. Invading the capitol building to stop the electoral count and intimidate congress into overturning the election results is not symbolic.

What did you think of the Kavanaugh protestors who invaded the Capitol building to stop his confirmation? https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/408169-police-arrest-128...

I've been looking at several different sources, and I can't find a single mention of Kavanaugh protestors committing any vandalism at all. The result of Kavanaugh protests? 128 people arrested.

You're comparing that with a mob of people who violently clashed with the police outside the Capitol, then stormed inside, broke windows, climbed the walls, sat inside offices with their feet up on desks, walked away with "souvenirs", and planted IEDs. The result of that? 13 arrests.

Can you please explain why your comparison is not disingenuous?

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by tetrometal » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:57 PM UTC

mrlala wrote: post #367

mechnesium wrote: post #349

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> if direct calls to violence and to insurrection against a democracy aren't grounds to take away your megaphone, then what is? Are you suggesting that Trump made direct calls to violence and to insurrection? If so, that is patently false. From Trump's actual Tweet on December 19th: "... Big Protest in D.C. on January 6th. Be there, will be wild!" All he did was call upon his base of supporters to exert their first a…

Whatever you need to tell yourself to sleep at night. Even Bill Barr just came out >Former Attorney General William Barr said Thursday that President Donald Trump inciting a violent insurrection on Capitol Hill the previous day was a "betrayal of his office and supporters." https://www.businessinsider.com/former-ag-barr-trump-betraye... But go ahead and hide behind "well he never ACTUALLY said it!!"

Quote the wording you think Trump used to organize an insurrection.

Juxtapose that with the wording you would be okay with him using to organize a protest.

Then try to tell me that the difference between them is "insurrection".