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Post by pnako »

alkonaut wrote: post #359
pnako wrote: post #141

I don't see much discussion of root causes here. But a lot of "police ought to be this or that". Perhaps the best solution is to have more democracy or community input into policing. It seems like it's happening now in the US (it would be quite different in other countries, where the police is national and considered civil servants; in France you can't elect sheriffs, and police is beyond the responsibility of mayors…

> a police that's tough Tough is having courage and compassion while being firm. Tough not being an insecure bully. Please don't use "tough" when relating to US police brutality. Having a decent police force is a solved problem. Just look around for a country with a decent relationship between population and law enforcements. Look what made that happen (Was it 2-3 year police training? mental health screens? No quali…

Do you really think we can apply the policing methods of Iceland or Japan to the areas of Mexico where you have cartels chopping up people? Crime and violence are not homogeneous around the world, so I don't think police can be either.

See how far you go with a compassionate police in Brazil.

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Post by butterknife »

TomMarius wrote: post #206
riffraff wrote: post #199

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But the comment wasn't saying the behaviour is fine, just that the job is more likely to produce this sort of content. Even countries with less violent police corps often have episodes like this. To keep it out of political rallies, just think of police vs hooligans in Europe.

Or police vs tekno dancers (remember CzechTek 2005?)

I was there. This is why I left the rotten country. They were using it as some free for all practice complete with tear gas grenades and a water cannon truck. They even brought a tank to show off.

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Post by Tainnor »

dragontamer wrote: post #375
dtech wrote: post #316

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With all due respect, 1984 has a much higher cultural impact and awareness than ATLA. The show isn't that well known outside of current 20-30 year olds.

Frankly... among my generation of roughly 30 year olds, I'd expect Avatar the Last Airbender to have higher cultural impact than 1984 (which was written in 1949). Most of us were forced to read 1984 and didn't really enjoy it. ATLA however, is something that we organically grew up with through high-school / college and actually paid attention to. My group of friends would be aware of 1984 concepts... such as "Big Bro…

Fun fact: as a kid in 8th grade or so, we were supposed to read and summarise a book for English class Most picked easy books, I picked 1984, probably out of a desire to be edgy. Little did I know that my level of English at the time was not enough for that book. The result is that, since I never went back and re-read the book, I kind of only half-read it because half of it I didn't really understand. :D I think I got the general idea of it though.

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Post by humanrebar »

alkonaut wrote: post #366

Some ideas: - Less immunity, and discharge without pension for blatant violations, for example being caught on camera hiding a badge, or deliberately bumping into someone to be able to argue that they were "assaulted". - Longer police traning. A 6-12months is how long you should train to be an unarmed mall security guy. Two or three years for a policeman seems like a minimum if you want qualified officers. - Federal…

Repeal of laws commonly used to drum up charges on civilians.

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Post by jowsie »

deathgrips wrote: post #201
vkou wrote: post #81

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> Defunding police because of police brutality is swallowing a spider to catch the fly. You do NOT want to live in a place without police. False dichotomy. You can defund the police, by not sending armed, militarized police to do the bullshit parts of their jobs, while still responding to violent incidents. For 99% of police calls, you don't need an armed gunman to show up. Of the 1% that you currently do, more often…

In the UK if police need guns on scene, they clear the area and call a specialized sharpshooter team.

At least where I live in the UK half the police have guns, they're just locked in their car 99.999% of the time. A lot more UK police have guns than most people think. Any car with a 5 point star (orange in my area) is an armed response vehicle.

Maybe US cops need to just leave their guns in their cars more often?

Example: https://c8.alamy.com/comp/HXD0AX/windsor-uk-27th-march-2017-...

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Post by pnako »

torb-xyz wrote: post #251
deepersprout wrote: post #246

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> because police brutality is kind of a global phenomenon No it's not. Police in Europe is, on average, very kind. When they stop you, you don't have to be afraid of anything, and more often than not you stop them to ask for help, even if it's just to ask for directions.

I know it's tempting to do the whole ”oh that's a problem over in terrible USA” (a very common european way of thinking) but I'd be careful about it. Granted I think european police is less violent than US (a low bar), but to say that we don't have a problem with this at all is pretty naive. Just look at how french or swedish police have responded to black lives matters protests for example.

Right now the French police is protesting against their own boss (minister of the interior, Castaner) because he went with the BLM narrative and basically called them racist.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53022073

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Post by deathcakes »

krzyk wrote: post #370
watwut wrote: post #240

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If this would be the case, the rest would report the violent ones, would testify against them and violent ones would be removed. This would happen in cases where is no video and no public outcry. That it does not seem to be happening unless there is video and public outcry suggest the issue is cultural and institutional, not just individual. The good cop is not reporting bad cop and is not testifying against him. May…

Would you report your fellow in company that e.g. goes late to work? Or uses corporate assets (printer, laptop) for personal things? This is similar, if you know someone you have less incentive to report on one. The better you know them, the higher is the bar for reporting.

I would report someone in my company who attacked someone else with no provocation. Or murdered someone.

I don't think this comparison is as good as you think it is.

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Post by pnako »

sschueller wrote: post #271
vbezhenar wrote: post #256

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People in US have too many guns. Cops are afraid for their life and use preventive violence.

Switzerland has a lot of guns yet we don't have this police issue here.

They don't openly carry handguns.

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Post by alexpetralia »

CathedralBorrow wrote: post #374
bufferoverflow wrote: post #26

I opened a couple of random ones. The first one was this link: https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1270402748895412224 Which isn't an example of police brutality. The second one was this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsTkAOe5UTE Basically a bunch of thugs attack random drivers. One of the thugs jumps into a random car, the car stops, police come, pull the thug out, he resists, they deal with him. I have zero…

> If you want to create a list for this cause, at least make it good, make it solid. Don't fill it with random junk to inflate the numbers. What I read is: If you want to create a list for this cause, at least make it perfect and unassailable in every possible way. Because I only need to point skeptically at one thing to dismiss the whole lot.

I think that's not a fair reading of his comment.

Is it not legitimate to want accurate sources of data? This does not mean slightly inaccurate data is unusable, simply that it is slightly inaccurate and this to some degree impugns its legitimacy (as it should).

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Post by jsmonkey »

spike021 wrote: post #170
DeonPenny wrote: post #65

The fact that is even possible is insane. Imagine there being over 700 videos of pilots messing up in one month, 700 crane operator mishaps in a month, 700+ food poising by a chain in a month. The also imagine you believe there's no problem. This is Ba Sing Se levels of delusion for some people.

>This is Ba Sing Se levels of delusion for some people. A reference I never expected to see on HN. It's insane, but then you realize that a significant portion of the US population _still_ only watches television news media and refuses to spend extra time looking at other sources, like Twitter.

Twitter is probably the worst medium for developing a balanced, well-educated view of anything. Americans don't need more fast-paced social media, they need quality education and journalism that covers all sides of these issues.

But of course that's not going to happen. For modern people with attention span of a goldfish it's too much of an effort to read long texts - thus they'll just keep watching the news, or reading short, one-sided tweets full of hate.

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