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Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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Post by aporetics » Fri, Jun 12, 2020, 2:17 PM UTC

Finnucane wrote: post #152

DenisM wrote: post #89

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> like a music festival campground Every generation needs a Woodstock. Burning man is not real enough.

>Every generation needs a Woodstock A massively failed capitalist project that leaves behind an enormous mess?

The organizers of Woodstock knew they weren’t going to profit, and they did it anyway.

They also knew that crowd control was going to be a problem; instead of hiring police, they brought in people from a commune who were used to doing crowd control for large peaceful gatherings.

Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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Post by jakelazaroff » Fri, Jun 12, 2020, 2:19 PM UTC

thu2111 wrote: post #348

gabesk wrote: post #253

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I'm also about that far away and walked through there last night. It felt more like a summer street fair festival. I also took a few pictures. https://photos.app.goo.gl/UN8RpwWS5TYAY5Nn7

But then there's also this: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EaQyClgU4AEJnWf?format=jpg&name=... https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EaQyCmMUEAEn_1o?format=jpg&name=... I've not before seen a summer street festival where armed militias wearing bulletproof vests patrol the streets.

I truly don't understand the problem here. Can you tell me what it is that makes these people dangerous and scary, but the similarly armed protestors who showed up at government buildings a month ago — or, frankly, the police — fine?

Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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Post by staticassertion » Fri, Jun 12, 2020, 2:20 PM UTC

thu2111 wrote: post #348

gabesk wrote: post #253

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I'm also about that far away and walked through there last night. It felt more like a summer street fair festival. I also took a few pictures. https://photos.app.goo.gl/UN8RpwWS5TYAY5Nn7

But then there's also this: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EaQyClgU4AEJnWf?format=jpg&name=... https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EaQyCmMUEAEn_1o?format=jpg&name=... I've not before seen a summer street festival where armed militias wearing bulletproof vests patrol the streets.

Summer street festivals often have a police presence.

Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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Post by twic » Fri, Jun 12, 2020, 2:21 PM UTC

pera wrote: post #322

MR4D wrote: post #242

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It looks....empty. Thanks for taking these - looks nothing like the media portrays it. BTW - love the church picture (I think it’s the one in Spain?)

Thanks! I'm not sure which one you are referring to (maybe Sagrada Familia?) but yeah, they are all in Catalonia :)

I saw the archway and thought it looked very similar to Seville cathedral! But the tower is nothing like Seville, it's much more modern.

Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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Post by noelsusman » Fri, Jun 12, 2020, 2:23 PM UTC

aazaa wrote: post #287

The first (of several) demands reads: > The Seattle Police Department and attached court system are beyond reform. We do not request reform, we demand abolition. We demand that the Seattle Council and the Mayor defund and abolish the Seattle Police Department and the attached Criminal Justice Apparatus. This means 100% of funding, including existing pensions for Seattle Police. At an equal level of priority we also d…

A political party won't do much to change the fact that their ideas are opposed by an overwhelming majority of their fellow citizens.

Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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Post by noelsusman » Fri, Jun 12, 2020, 2:25 PM UTC

hedora wrote: post #174

michaelmrose wrote: post #168

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There is a persistent desire to suck the funds out of the police force budget and redirect the money to things the community values. This unlike occupy is a tangible goal and if people only elect people willing to give it to them it will happen regardless of what people outside of Seattle want.

Occupy Wall Street had a tangible goal. Break up big banks, and forgive predatory loans. Even with Obama in office, we ended up with even bigger banks and a spiraling debt crisis.

I don't remember that being a consistent, clearly articulated goal. That's also orders of magnitude more difficult to accomplish than shifting some city budgets around.

Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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Post by jakelazaroff » Fri, Jun 12, 2020, 2:25 PM UTC

zeveb wrote: post #384

cma wrote: post #284

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Fox is by far the most popular news channel in the US and pretty close to bigger than the rest combined.

I was all set to post a comment about how I dream of an honestly fair and balanced news channel, unlike Fox, CNN or MSNBC. I was going to post some outrageous headlines from each site right now. Surprisingly, the front page of foxnews.com was pretty sane and sober, remarkably so — and by far better than cnn.com or msnbc.com. I am honestly stunned. I really expected Fox News to be as much of a dumpster fire as CNN or…

Are we seeing the same front page of foxnews.com? The top story is about the Capital Hill Autonomous Zone, and the biggest text on the page says "Clueless in Seattle".

Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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Post by chaoticmass » Fri, Jun 12, 2020, 2:27 PM UTC

Looks like my employer was quick to add this site to the block list of sites we can't access using the company network.

Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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Post by staticassertion » Fri, Jun 12, 2020, 2:27 PM UTC

libria wrote: post #164

elicash wrote: post #105

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Sounds a lot like Occupy

That comparison kinda worries me. Occupy had some hygiene issues and did not have a coronavirus to worry about.

Occupy was in a pretty tiny little park, that was stuffed full of people. You could barely walk through it - you had to step over people sitting on the ground.

CHAZ is multiple city blocks. I doubt it's comparable in terms of hygiene.

Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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Post by craftinator » Fri, Jun 12, 2020, 2:27 PM UTC

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #388

latencyloser wrote: post #382

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Those are not automatic rifles, they're very likely all semi-automatic. Semi-automatic rifles can look the same as automatic rifles, visual appearance doesn't mean much. Automatic rifles in the US are much, much more difficult and expensive to acquire than one would think--tens of thousands of dollars usually vs ~$500 for a semi-automatic variant. Sorry if that seems pedantic, but the media uses the understandably ea…

The whole 'fully automatic rifle' is such a nothing burger anyway. M4s and M16s aren't controllable on fully automatic at anything over 10m. Watch modern combat footage of any trained unit, and I guarantee you'll see them using semi auto. My point? Semi auto AR-15s are every bit as effective and deadly as their fully automatic military counterparts. Whether civilians should have such weapons is another discussion.

To add to this, having had quite of bit of firearms experience both semi and auto, the real limiting factors are, as mentioned, controllability and ammo.

With a 30 round mag and a cyclic rate of 700 rounds per minute (AR-15 mods run 700-1000 RPM), you get a little over 2 seconds of trigger time. That assumes you don't experience a jam, which is very likely with an AR-15 variant modified for automatic fire, and because of the weight distribution and recoil deflection, you won't hit anything you aim at after the second round leaves the chamber. So, if they are packing fully auto AR-15 mods, I'd be wayyyyy less concerned than if they were using semi automatic.