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Firefox has lots of room to improve if it wants to beat Chrome

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Re: Firefox has lots of room to improve if it wants to beat Chrome

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I would much rather use Firefox full time, but many sites (like youtube.com, for example) just don't render well/speedily/at all on FF. Open Chrome and everything is fine. I get TFA said some devs don't write/test for anything but Chrome... but you _have_ to keep Chrome around for some things. So much for an open web. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>you _have_ to keep Chrome around for some things.

You don't though!

I agree; YouTube (and most everything else) is WAY faster on Chrome than on Firefox. But, on Firefox, I can block JS and soundly defeat YouTube ads. Trading that for whatever interval of page load time would feel gross to me.

Re: Firefox has lots of room to improve if it wants to beat Chrome

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I haven't really met anyone who is particularly bothered by these issues. They certainly should be addressed to some degree, but the issues I find people are bothered about in Firefox are something that Mozilla has very little control over: Bugs in sites. As a full-time firefox user, I commonly find that sites have bugs, and when I boot it up in Chrome just to check my hunch, they don't manifest. It's pretty easy to…

If developers are genuinely concerned with browser diversity and not handing the Web over to Google and whatever they deem to be the next IE6, it starts with having a test plan for other browsers. I'd say it starts with dialing back the "new feature/change fetish" that a lot of web developers have. Yes, I know some things simply can't be done without a JS webapp, but not all and probably not even a majority, so if HT…

Yes, I think that they should do back all of that "new feature/change fetish" as you say. It also would improve compatibility, to not do such messy stuff, too.

Most web pages will not need any JavaScripts, although some might need it. And in some other cases, optional JavaScript might help, such as to auto-fill or validate a form, in which case the form will still work with JavaScript disabled. (Also note that, for example, Lynx does not implement JavaScript.)

For some of that, my idea of a element might help a bit. It would improve performance, allow better user customizations, allow enabling some functions that would previously require JavaScript even though JavaScript is disabled, and is compatible even with browsers that do not implement .

CSS is also overused, although even if you use it, you should try to also allow working without CSS in cases where such a thing makes sense (which it often does, although not always). (CSS styles often just make stuff worse in my opinion anyways; that is why I put in my own CSS codes for stuff.)

I think, the end user need to have enough ropes to hang yourself and also a few more just in case. The entire control of the interface should be controlled by the end user.

Also, these web pages and HTTP(S) are rather overused anyways. There are other protocols, such as Gopher and Telnet and SSH and NNTP and IRC, which are better for some things (and worse for some things, too, I suppose). (But multiple protocols and multiple interfaces can be offered if wanted, anyways, I suppose.)

Re: Firefox has lots of room to improve if it wants to beat Chrome

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> What privacy has the average Joe user gained by switching to Firefox? None. They’re still using Google Search and (most likely) other Google products. I don't agree with this part. Though the bigger point is that not using Google as a default engine is very user hostile - as everyone is using Google. Of course this isn't ideal from a privacy perspective. But setting it to something else will only frustrate most com…

My own opinion is that no default search engine needs to be set.

Re: Firefox has lots of room to improve if it wants to beat Chrome

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As something of power FF user, I do two key things in Firefox that used to work perfectly, especially with a third thing from Session Manager. * Multiple profiles simultaneously, one for normal browsing, another for authenticated sites I care about, etc. * Lots of windows and tabs. My main FF usually had around ~20 windows (spread across a huge virtual desktop) and ~300 tabs. * The amazing Session Manager addon, whic…

> The only thing I wanted was for Firefox to be able to tell me WHICH TAB IS EATING CPU TIME SO I CAN KILL THAT TAB.

about:performance may help you.

Re: Firefox has lots of room to improve if it wants to beat Chrome

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post #17

> What privacy has the average Joe user gained by switching to Firefox? None. They’re still using Google Search and (most likely) other Google products. I don't agree with this part. Though the bigger point is that not using Google as a default engine is very user hostile - as everyone is using Google. Of course this isn't ideal from a privacy perspective. But setting it to something else will only frustrate most com…

My own opinion is that no default search engine needs to be set.

User hostile as well I think. I think the expectation that you can just type something in the address bar and have it search the internet is quite normal.

Re: Firefox has lots of room to improve if it wants to beat Chrome

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post #17

> What privacy has the average Joe user gained by switching to Firefox? None. They’re still using Google Search and (most likely) other Google products. I don't agree with this part. Though the bigger point is that not using Google as a default engine is very user hostile - as everyone is using Google. Of course this isn't ideal from a privacy perspective. But setting it to something else will only frustrate most com…

Duckduckgo is fine for like 80-85% of searches I do, but there are areas where Google is unbeatable (unbeaten?) yet

It's not for everyone I talk to he doesn't really value privacy that much (but still dislikes Chrome for some reason).

Re: Firefox has lots of room to improve if it wants to beat Chrome

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My own opinion is that no default search engine needs to be set.

User hostile as well I think. I think the expectation that you can just type something in the address bar and have it search the internet is quite normal.

Maybe, although still I don't like it. If I enter anything in the address bar which is not a complete absolute URL, I would want it to be interpreted as a relative URL.

Re: Firefox has lots of room to improve if it wants to beat Chrome

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> The whole point of Mozilla is supposed to be Firefox and Thunderbird And the whole point of Google is search? I think it makes sense that Mozilla would expand into more than just Firefox and Thunderbird. They’re a software foundation so limit themselves to a browser or mail client? I like the fact that they’ve becomes champions of privacy and internet safety. Agreed though. What they’re doing is technically hard bu…

Well... they did tried firefox mobile. Which failed but somehow found a new lease in life in 3rd world countries now. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KaiOS

I hear this a lot but here in the USA I never saw a phone with the OS for sale that worked on my carrier. I still wish they had done FirefoxOS laptops.

Re: Firefox has lots of room to improve if it wants to beat Chrome

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Webdevs don’t seem to have much of a user-centric view of the sites they develop. The vast majority of use cases on the web are “I want to see a list of options then fill in a form”. All the tech needed to shop online or bank or pay bills or book travel or whatever existed 20 years ago (SSL being the last piece of the puzzle, all the rest is just plain HTML).

If form controls like select lists and checkboxes were style-able and compose-able I think it would reduce the need for JS in many cases. Multi select in particular feels like it's stuck in the 90's. Also select's lack of consistent search capabilities is painful.

I'm certainly no CSS guru. And as you said, CSS doesn't cover everything. However, you can do quite a bit with CSS that most developers don't bother with:

https://bradleytaunt.com/dynamic-checkboxes/

https://bradleytaunt.com/easy-custom-radio-inputs/

https://normform.netlify.com/

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