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Firefox has lots of room to improve if it wants to beat Chrome

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Re: Firefox has lots of room to improve if it wants to beat Chrome

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Post by LeoNatan25 »

hazz99 wrote: post #151
LeoNatan25 wrote: post #147

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> The problem with this is that the web is competing with native apps. Only in the minds of web “devs”.

> "dev" Drop those apostrophes - a web developer is a completely valid, skilled profession. Web apps unequivocally compete with native apps, that is a fact. I prefer the Slack web client to the native version. I use Google Docs instead of Microsoft Word. I use Google Drive, iCloud, Google Photos etc. instead of my own harddrive. To think that web apps don't compete with native apps is simply untrue.

_You_ use? Good for you! And?

A web developer, doing what they know what to do on the web, is a legitimate developer.

A web "developer" that only knows webdev, doesn't have the skill or will to learn anything else but webdev, insists on splurging web crap as "apps" outside of the web—that's, to me, is not legitimate, and "dev" worthy.

Re: Firefox has lots of room to improve if it wants to beat Chrome

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Post by mambru »

luckylion wrote: post #114
feanaro wrote: post #105

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> As a full-time firefox user, I commonly find that sites have bugs, and when I boot it up in Chrome just to check my hunch, they don't manifest. Also a full-time Firefox user. This is fascinating because I quite literally cannot remember a website for which I had to switch browser so it would start working. What kind of websites are these? Have you noticed any pattern about them? Perhaps it's a certain type of site…

Skype Web is an example from the top of my head, but I don't run into them a lot either (or don't notice that they are only broken in Firefox, because I rarely care enough to try another browser). I do see quite a few sites that apparently never have been tested with ublock or privacy badger, but they break on all browsers where those are enabled.

Skype web works if you switch user agent

Re: Firefox has lots of room to improve if it wants to beat Chrome

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Post by tinco »

ddtaylor wrote: post #166
csdreamer7 wrote: post #78

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> I don't understand how Mozilla has over a thousand employees and over 500 million dollars in annual revenue. Mostly agree. > The whole point of Mozilla is supposed to be Firefox and Thunderbird. I can understand your view. With that said, I am quite happy they funded Rust and also gave a grant to the Godot project to develop their webassembly interface.

> I can understand your view. With that said, I am quite happy they funded Rust and also gave a grant to the Godot project to develop their webassembly interface. I agree, but it seems problematic they aren't monetizing that. They're making money doing the things users don't really like while not making a dime of good things like fostering a legitimate free and open web.

Firefox has been making great strides on the performance and reliability side with a rendering engine and other things that they claim they could not have been done without Rust. If that is true, the investment probably already has paid for itself.

Re: Firefox has lots of room to improve if it wants to beat Chrome

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Post by paulryanrogers »

goatinaboat wrote: post #200
userbinator wrote: post #42

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If developers are genuinely concerned with browser diversity and not handing the Web over to Google and whatever they deem to be the next IE6, it starts with having a test plan for other browsers. I'd say it starts with dialing back the "new feature/change fetish" that a lot of web developers have. Yes, I know some things simply can't be done without a JS webapp, but not all and probably not even a majority, so if HT…

Webdevs don’t seem to have much of a user-centric view of the sites they develop. The vast majority of use cases on the web are “I want to see a list of options then fill in a form”. All the tech needed to shop online or bank or pay bills or book travel or whatever existed 20 years ago (SSL being the last piece of the puzzle, all the rest is just plain HTML).

If form controls like select lists and checkboxes were style-able and compose-able I think it would reduce the need for JS in many cases.

Multi select in particular feels like it's stuck in the 90's.

Also select's lack of consistent search capabilities is painful.

Re: Firefox has lots of room to improve if it wants to beat Chrome

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Post by Lev1a »

duncanawoods wrote: post #81
pacavaca wrote: post #66

It has to freaking stop crashing first. And stop freezing my computer with just 20 tabs open (for 32gb of ram). And complete their password manager. And implement recent standards to make apps work. And... Yeah, I'm still using it instead of Chrome just because I want to depend less on Google, but dammit Chrome is better.

I can't recall it ever crashing in the past year and I use it all day on multiple computers including nix, macos and windows.

At my university the sysadmins have done something fucky with the W10 image, that makes it so Firefox crashes 30s-5mins after launching it. Chrome and Edge are somehow completely fine and I've never encountered this crashing issue on any system outside of those PC labs.

Re: Firefox has lots of room to improve if it wants to beat Chrome

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Post by ledauphin »

torben-friis wrote: post #215

Everyone's talking about what Firefox should do to beat chrome, and meanwhile here I am still suffering the bug that makes it unusable for many MacBooks with retina screens set to "more space". Start Firefox and fans are blaring in seconds, hundreds of reports, years of waiting and no solution... Maybe making it usable in one of the most common devices for devs would be a start, I've got a full building of coworkers…

Firefox got most of its early momentum from tech-savvy users recommending it to their friends and family.

Many of us use retina MacBooks, and none of us can honestly recommend it since we can't use it ourselves.

I understand from the bug report that it's not a trivial solution, but then again the new JS engine wasn't trivial either. Mozilla is going to have to step it up and realize that its own version of advertising is making power users want to evangelize.

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