Microsoft acquires Github • Hacker News Board

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by Lordarminius » Mon, Jun 04, 2018, 3:11 PM UTC

Ajedi32 wrote: post #338

ptx wrote: post #297

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's why the "extend" phase is there in the embrace/extend/extinguish strategy - to make it an insurmountable pain to migrate elsewhere, after first having lured the users in with the "embrace" phase. Letting it play out is just what they need to move from phase 1 to phase 2.

But "extend" hasn't happened yet. There's no need to cry foul until it does, because until it does there's no evidence of anything nefarious going on. "Embrace" on its own is perfectly normal and acceptable behavior. Vendor lock-in is an important concern regardless of who owns the platform you're being locked into.

> But "extend" hasn't happened yet.

If we wait for it to happen by then it will be too late

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by test6554 » Mon, Jun 04, 2018, 3:11 PM UTC

bad_user wrote: post #32

People keep mentioning how "Microsoft changed" due to VS Code, the Linux subsystem, .NET Core. I say that they are the same company, only with different cash cows. Haven't they spied on Windows 10 users? Do they not engage in patents racketeering? Haven't they killed Nokia and ruined Skype? " But Mom, some of the other companies are doing it too ", well yeah, but some of us don't have double standards, in spite of wh…

Some people get offended when for-profit companies turn out to be not neighborly or friendly or human beings.

I like to look at it from the perspective that they are a for-profit public company and are legally required to maximize shareholder value, and they have every right to do so.

Therefore, any plans I make regarding GitHub will not rely on them being friendly and kind-spirited in any way. If they turn out to be great, I'll just be pleasantly surprised.

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by contravariant » Mon, Jun 04, 2018, 3:11 PM UTC

efdee wrote: post #348

AsyncAwait wrote: post #174

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Their license for the .NET Core debugger makes it so that only they can use it, JetBrains and others cannot, see [1], they haven't changed at all. 1 - https://blog.jetbrains.com/dotnet/2017/02/15/rider-eap-17-nu...

Why would Microsoft give away their crown jewels to a competing IDE? They spent ages perfecting their debugger. It's not like JetBrains can't build their own debugger based on the ICorDebug interface (which is what Microsoft's implementation is also based on).

Nobody here is claiming proprietary code is inherently bad (some people definitely do, but not in this thread), they're just saying it makes a poor example of Microsoft embracing open source.

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by oaiey » Mon, Jun 04, 2018, 3:12 PM UTC

fjsolwmv wrote: post #310

squarefoot wrote: post #256

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As with every other big corporation, including Apple, Google etc. the problem isn't making money, which is perfectly legit and fine, the problem is the "western" economy system which requires, or even encourages, any rogue behavior aimed at maximizing profits at any cost. A company expecting returns for its investment is a thing, but one who buys startups only to destroy them to stop the development of competing prod…

What does "Western" have to do with anything of this? Should we be "Eastern" like Chinese sweatshops that choke the air with smog? "Middle Eastern" like Qatari slaveowners?

Let us call it unrestricted capitalism vs. some of the European models where eg the unions/workers have by law one third of the seats in the board.

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by strin » Mon, Jun 04, 2018, 3:12 PM UTC

Github has been losing the battle in the enterprise world to Gitlab. The latter has more appealing features to enterprise users. So this acquisition in some sense a great opportunity for Github as well to enter enterprise under the wings of Microsoft.

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by jeffrallen » Mon, Jun 04, 2018, 3:13 PM UTC

mikro2nd wrote: post #294

shubhamjain wrote: post #227

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Why not let things play out a little before predicting chaos? Github doesn't have the vendor lock-in that other companies have. It starts to go downhill? Just push your repo to another Git host. Yes, you'll need to figure out how to port some of your workflows, but it won't be an insurmountable pain.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. They haven't fooled me since the 1990's and they won't fool me this time.

Exactly. Which is why today I typed "go help importpath" to remember how to use my own domain name for my import path.

Dear reader, you should too.

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by StreamBright » Mon, Jun 04, 2018, 3:13 PM UTC

wilsonnb wrote: post #293

StreamBright wrote: post #235

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I am much more unhappy about the quality of their operating system. They had decades to turn it into a user friendly simple system like macos is, and failed every single time. It is outrageous that I have to delete half of the operating system to get something barely useable and the first thing when you run windows update is to put back the games and other crapware that I do not need on my devices. Is there any hope…

> It is outrageous that I have to delete half of the operating system to get something barely useable Seriously? Windows 10 is a perfectly usable OS out of the box. I can open up the included web browser and go to whatever website I want. I can install Office, Visual Studio, a Linux subsystem, VLC, a VNC client, VirtualBox, Chrome, Firefox, and every other piece of software I need without any hassle. Yes, there is so…

Yeah just like Ubuntu, FreeBSD + XFCE and a bunch of other systems. I need something solid, featureful and simple as macos is, that has _great_ UX and I don't feel like fighting against the OS. Good example is when to update feature in macos vs windows is. One is pleasant, co-operative and feels right, the other is disruptive and I need to disable basic stuff not to lose some unsaved work. Just a great example how UX matters.

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by dangerboysteve » Mon, Jun 04, 2018, 3:13 PM UTC

bad_user wrote: post #32

People keep mentioning how "Microsoft changed" due to VS Code, the Linux subsystem, .NET Core. I say that they are the same company, only with different cash cows. Haven't they spied on Windows 10 users? Do they not engage in patents racketeering? Haven't they killed Nokia and ruined Skype? " But Mom, some of the other companies are doing it too ", well yeah, but some of us don't have double standards, in spite of wh…

Large Public companies don't change overnight for risk of shareholder revolt. As a Microsoft skeptic, I'll give them the opportunity to change.

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by azurelogic » Mon, Jun 04, 2018, 3:13 PM UTC

unictek wrote: post #69

Gitlab is not comparable to Github at all. Gitlab is just about hosting git projects that's all. It's not community driven at all.

You're right on the first point. They aren't comparable. GitLab is a community driven, open core product that is far more powerful than GitHub. GitLab has an extremely robust CI system built in. In addition, you can even use them to create private Docker registries, which I find useful for creating my own private CI images. Plus, they have a better security model (5 tiers), wildcards for branch protection, and tag protection. I'm sure there's other places that they differ, but before you disparage a company, please be informed about who they are and how great their product actually is.

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by 7dare » Mon, Jun 04, 2018, 3:13 PM UTC

wnsire wrote: post #350

> We are committed to being stewards of the GitHub community, which will retain its developer-first ethos, operate independently and remain an open > Finally, we will bring Microsoft’s developer tools and services to new audiences. Which one is it ? Those statements are just contradictory . It's obvious that they will bring all their stuff into Github as it has become a central piece for MS Engineers and has become s…

I don't think these are contradictory.

Even if you interpret the second one as "new buttons to advertise Microsoft products", it doesn't damage a developer-first stance or independent operation.

Moreover, GitHub has already partnered with dozens of other companies for its Education program for instance [0]. This already compromises independent operation, and displays ads to thousands of students, "whether or not they like these tools" (your words).

[0] - https://education.github.com/