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Re: Requirements for DRM in HTML are confidential

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It does, in that it allows business agreements to be signed. Without DRM, old content industries aren't interested in playing.

and we aren't interested in the old content industries. they are "considered harmful" at best

This entire thread was about hollywood. To say that we aren't interested in what hollywood produces is a strange assertion, or a rather narrow definition of "we".

Re: Requirements for DRM in HTML are confidential

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I suppose that the title assertion is to be expected. DRM only works if you don't know how it works. ~~~ I'm not sure I see anything wrong with DRM per se (this could be my fever talking), there are probably good uses I'm too dim to think about, but I do think it's unnecessary as part of the HTML specification. There's no industry or company that has switched to DRM-free content, that I know of, that has failed or su…

> DRM only works if you don't know how it works. That's not entirely true, I don't think? What about AACS, which uses a very clever master key / sub key + key revocation mechanism. People figured out exactly how it worked well before it was actually "broken" - and it was broken by stealing private keys from devices. > For games, Steam makes it easy to avoid SecuROM Hell Steam is DRM. Sure, it's fairly nice as DRM goe…

> Steam is DRM. Sure, it's fairly nice as DRM goes, but it is still DRM.

Depends on what you mean by DRM. Many Steam games run without Steam and only use it as a platform for digital distribution.

Re: Requirements for DRM in HTML are confidential

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I suppose that the title assertion is to be expected. DRM only works if you don't know how it works. ~~~ I'm not sure I see anything wrong with DRM per se (this could be my fever talking), there are probably good uses I'm too dim to think about, but I do think it's unnecessary as part of the HTML specification. There's no industry or company that has switched to DRM-free content, that I know of, that has failed or su…

> all the reasons people don't pirate and instead buy on Steam.

Because the sames are stupidly, insanely reasonably priced. $5 for 20 hours of content? Games from time to time being 50% off? The ease of getting new content in a few clicks?

Contrast that with movies that are available for download at the same time they show up on DVD in stores: $15 for <2 hours of content that's probably not going to be that great, when my alternatives are to go to the movie store and pick it up for $2 as a rental or to pirate it for free.

Re: Requirements for DRM in HTML are confidential

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I download movies and TV shows using Bittorrent and index sites like TBP because of DRM. Often these DRM systems are not available for Linux, or if they are, they require installing some big blob of binary code. It is easier and more secure for me to use bittorrent.

I would happily use the legal services, if not for this DRM. Those services sometimes are even free (e.g. BBC iPlayer). I would happily pay for a subscription service (I pay subscriptions to a number of different of online sites, mostly journalism or data-organistion - I've no problem with that).

The industry standardising proprietary DRM in W3 will just ensure that I continue to support the distributed, end-user provided services which are DRM-free.

Re: Requirements for DRM in HTML are confidential

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I'm talking about lowering the cost in areas to match the economy. I too think the cost of software in Australia is crazy.

They are the same thing. The exact same thing. All you're quibbling about is that you don't like where the pricing is set for the region in which you live.

Huh? I'm not quibbling about anything. You brought it up, not me. I'm perfectly happy where pricing is at in my region. It's commiserate with the general economy. Nothing is disproportionately priced here. Some areas seem to be out of sync with their economy, either high or low.

Re: Requirements for DRM in HTML are confidential

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You are NEVER forced to steal things that aren't essential to survival. Starving on the street and steal a loaf a bread, that's one thing. Don't want to participate in many varied ways of listen to music for free legally and so choosing to steal the next big album you want to hear, not ok, ever.

To play devils advocate, I'm not sure why you think the very poor should be concerned about respecting copyright law.

Because being poor doesn't give you the right to take from others to satisfy your own entertainment desires. I think Jean Valjean wouldn't have been quite the sympathetic character if he stole a lute instead of a loaf of bread ;)

Re: Requirements for DRM in HTML are confidential

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I'm talking about lowering the cost in areas to match the economy. I too think the cost of software in Australia is crazy.

They are the same thing. The exact same thing. All you're quibbling about is that you don't like where the pricing is set for the region in which you live.

And I sure as heck don't justify stealing just because you don't like the price.

Re: Requirements for DRM in HTML are confidential

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Fork the W3C? This is pretty much happened with HTML. The W3C membership voted against chartering a group to work on progressive improvements to HTML (v. XHTML2), initially in the form of Web Forms 2.0, and so the WHATWG was born. The big problem is copyright on all the specs is owned by the W3C. Oh, you want to spec CSS? Well, then you have to do it from scratch. Yes, HTML is now at a point where it is better specif…

are you serious?! copyright instead of left on the standards for the "open" web? wtf

The background on this issue: http://www.w3.org/2010/Talks/doclicense-20100323/ and rationale: http://www.w3.org/2010/01/licfaq.html#consequences

Re: Requirements for DRM in HTML are confidential

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are you serious?! copyright instead of left on the standards for the "open" web? wtf

The background on this issue: http://www.w3.org/2010/Talks/doclicense-20100323/ and rationale: http://www.w3.org/2010/01/licfaq.html#consequences

thanks very much. am i right in that the main reason for this is that forking is undesired? how is that helpful to an open system?

Re: Requirements for DRM in HTML are confidential

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I thought that was more-or-less what was being discussed. My understanding was that the media element being accessed would not play the stream unless a specified DRM component was available, most often due to a plugin installed to the browser. It wasn't that they wanted DRM in the open web, they wanted the open web to have the ability to communicate with a third-party DRM. A third-party solution that an individual ca…

>> A third-party solution that an individual can decline to install and not participate. A third party solution that they can't get hold of because the 'official' one only runs on windows and intel, and the ps4.

So? If they don't provide the content you wish to see in a way that's convenient for you but is convenient for the mass of their market I fail to see the problem. If you want to see the content bad enough then you accept the requirements. Otherwise, it says more for you to not participate by not giving money. As more people do this, things will change.
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