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England set to be one of the first countries to eliminate hepatitis C

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Re: England set to be one of the first countries to eliminate hepatitis C

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Post by astura »

jasonfarnon wrote: post #373
gs17 wrote: post #175

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In the US it's entirely possible to do that as well. I've never been forced to see a doctor outside of getting a form signed before grad school.

well what did you do during covid? Even if your school/employer didn't require vaccination during covid, most schools I attended at different phases of my life, well before covid, required some new vaccine or other. I think in the US it's pretty hard to get through school without visiting a doctor after childhood vaccines.

I get my vaccines at the pharmacy. At my current age its flu and COVID every year. TDAP every decade. I'll be adding more once I'm in my 50s, which is rapidly approaching.

Re: England set to be one of the first countries to eliminate hepatitis C

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Post by nephihaha »

arethuza wrote: post #138
walthamstow wrote: post #76

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Not a problem, I disagree with the government all the time. Scotland has less sovereignty than US states, it's not a country.

The UK seems fairly relaxed about constituent parts leaving (Scotland was given a referendum, NI has option to leave if they want) - which I don't believe applies to US states?

Relaxed is not the word at all. Northern Ireland is a powderkeg and the UK government has known that for decades.

The Scottish referendum did not use neutral international observers, and had extremely biased coverage by state media. The BBC itself even tried to stir up forms of violent unionism. (Look up the so called "passionate Highlander", a drunken loyalist type who talked about defending the union to the death "in the name of Jesus Christ".)

Re: England set to be one of the first countries to eliminate hepatitis C

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Post by lenerdenator »

ceejayoz wrote: post #333
lenerdenator wrote: post #330

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> I'd love to see Wakefield go to jail for fraud, nor am I a fan of Charles even if he's on my passport. But Charles doesn't set UK health policy, or UK policy at all. You're correct. He lives off the civil list and lets his nonce brother crash at a luxury home. But someone else does set UK health policy, and someone else does prosecute crimes, and since that's the case, then why didn't someone else in the UK with th…

Again: I'm all for it. I've little ability to impact the British criminal justice system, though, nor much patience for whataboutism. I'll still take "no longer a doctor" over "gets to set American health policy". I like pancakes and waffles, in other words.

> I've little ability to impact the British criminal justice system, though

Probably more on a per-capita basis than Americans have impact on what DHHS does, though. Especially if it became something focused on by the British public. Which, strangely, it hasn't. Not since 2010 when he was struck off.

> I'll still take "no longer a doctor" over "gets to set American health policy".

You really should aim higher. The man performed colonoscopies and biopsies on autistic children to support a scientific fraud with the hopes of becoming wealthy off of it. In other words, at the very least, he committed battery on disabled kids. That should earn more than getting struck off after twelve years. It should earn prison. It's purely on the British government that it hasn't. And since doing that would have prevented his scientific fraud from reaching the heights it is at now, modern antivax can be pinned on the UK and the lack of action from His Majesty's government.

Re: England set to be one of the first countries to eliminate hepatitis C

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Post by DerekL »

tim333 wrote: post #339
Aurornis wrote: post #132

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The pivotal paper that tried to link vaccines to autism came out of the UK and was published in The Lancet. Assuming that the US was the root of the current surge of anti-vax idealism is not supported by the facts.

Yeah, I guess: > Andrew Jeremy Wakefield (born 3 September 1956[a]) is an English fraudster and anti-vaccine activist. Formerly a senior surgeon, he was struck off the British medical register in 2010 for "serious professional misconduct" due to his involvement in the fraudulent 1998 Lancet MMR autism report, (wikpedia) Sadly debunking fraud doesn't seem to stop the misinfo on social media. "Vaccines cause autism!" g…

It's Robert F. Kennedy Jr., not John.

Re: England set to be one of the first countries to eliminate hepatitis C

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Post by farfatched »

GuB-42 wrote: post #191

I guess someone complained about memory safety and they intend to rewrite hepatitis in Rust. Not everything has to be rewritten in Rust! Hepatitis is a virus, C is much better suited for that kind of project, Rust is for fungal diseases, not viruses.

Safe needle practices have been known for decades, it's really not that hard.

If I say I'm going to borrow a needle and just look at it, you should just trust me. If I use it, I make sure to sterilize it before returning it.

Re: England set to be one of the first countries to eliminate hepatitis C

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Post by MoltenMan »

nkozyra wrote: post #165
MoltenMan wrote: post #115

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The reason there are measles cases is because a decent percentage of people aren't getting vaccinated anymore. If all of the cases were 2 year olds or younger (when RFK was put in charge) then possibly. But not only are they older ( https://www.cdc.gov/measles/data-research/index.html ), this is also happening in Canada. I don't see how it could possibly be RFK's fault.

True, but RFK (and other politicians and celebrities) have been active in pushing some form of anti-vax ideology for a decade plus, in some cases back to the 1970s. It's been a growing movement, not something that kicked off when RFK assumed the HHS role.

I agree. But to be clear the original comment / context is about MAGA / Trump. I think responding 'No, you're wrong! RFK is the reason' to a thread about Trump and then retreating to RFK's activities over the last 20 years is arguing in bad faith.

The entire reason I made my original comment is because it's important to recognize that this is not a Trump thing, and getting rid of Trump / MAGA will not suddenly convince people that vaccines are good.

Re: England set to be one of the first countries to eliminate hepatitis C

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Post by MoltenMan »

stickfigure wrote: post #286
MoltenMan wrote: post #192

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Do you believe this? I think it might help a little, but so we're on the same page RFK has only been in charge for 2 years. Why wasn't the previous secretary of health doing this? The measles outbreaks may be relatively new but we've had the vaccination data to see it coming for over a decade. My personal belief is that there a lot of people who believe stupid things out there (and it's all only amplified by the news…

Inaction (and really, let's be clear - making it worse) is RFK's choice. We managed to cut the smoking rate pretty dramatically, including in about half over the last decade. Public policy is not ineffective, we just need competent people to wield it.

I think we live in a different age man. Media nowadays is completely different. Example: I have literally never had cable tv in my house. I've probably watched cable TV around 10 times total, all in a hotel room growing up. My media is all online, uncontrolled and (relatively) decentralized. Contrast that with 60 years ago and hopefully you see the difference.

Also smoking smells and has other negative externalities, which doesn't hurt.

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Post by MoltenMan »

nemomarx wrote: post #266
MoltenMan wrote: post #192

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Do you believe this? I think it might help a little, but so we're on the same page RFK has only been in charge for 2 years. Why wasn't the previous secretary of health doing this? The measles outbreaks may be relatively new but we've had the vaccination data to see it coming for over a decade. My personal belief is that there a lot of people who believe stupid things out there (and it's all only amplified by the news…

I don't think it would be logistically that hard to criminalize the parents or take away their kids in those cases. It would have a lot of other downsides but it would probably reduce the rate pretty directly.

Ok if you want to do this then sure there is an easy solution. I think there are other problems with this though (for example no way this is flying even with the majority of people who are not anti-vax).

Re: England set to be one of the first countries to eliminate hepatitis C

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Post by MoltenMan »

mrguyorama wrote: post #229
MoltenMan wrote: post #143

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Look at the source I linked! Only 20% of cases are under 5!

RFK Jr has been pushing anti-vaccine bullshit for decades. He was already taking defensive stances on his activism (Oh, I'm not anti-vaccine, I'm just providing nonsense arguments and clout for anti-vaccine stances) back in 2015. Kennedy was already pushing bullshit during the UK Measles vaccine fraud/scare, back in 2005. He was doing this along with a few other celebrities.

I've responded to a few people on this but the comment I was responding to was literally about the last 6 years! The context of this entire thread is about MAGA / Trump! I agree that RFK is hurting and has been for a long time, but that is not what this argument is about!
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