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What Ozempic does to the gut-brain axis

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Re: What Ozempic does to the gut-brain axis

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

herbst wrote: post #344
crooked-v wrote: post #154

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For many people, the "underlying issue" is fundamentally just being too hungry for how they live. GLP-1s absolutely treat that.

Sounds like they eat the wrong things. So learning to eat properly and stopping with GLP after a while sounds more reasonable to me. Also that's how my mum got it in the swiss test run. It was never supposed to be long term, just to help change eating habits.

If telling people to eat better fixed obesity, we wouldn't have an obesity epidemic.

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Post by teliosix »

faangguyindia wrote: post #158
crooked-v wrote: post #154

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For many people, the "underlying issue" is fundamentally just being too hungry for how they live. GLP-1s absolutely treat that.

for many people the underlying issue is serious lack of education when it comes to nutrition. Not understanding calorie balance, not understanding calorie density of the food they eat. How many people know 1kg fat = 7700kcal that if they could create deficit of 7700kcal they could potentially lose 1kg bodyfat? Ofc, i know the relationship isn't that simple but for most people this roughly holds true. If you are eatin…

This idea that it is education is just so incredibly stupid.

Everyone knows what they need do to loose weight.

The problem is we have an environment that in every way promotes over eating and eating hyperpalatable food is pleasurable in the moment.

Re: What Ozempic does to the gut-brain axis

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

kube-system wrote: post #285
Barrin92 wrote: post #223

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> the "underlying issue" is fundamentally just being too hungry for how they live operative phrase in that sentence "how they live". They need to live more active lives. And that's better than a weight loss drug because inactivity causes systemic disease beyond weight gain. GLP-1 drugs do to hunger what pain meds do to pain, but if you're overweight and your back is aching because you're sedentary the solution isn't…

Unfortunately the reason many live sedentary lives is indirectly a result of broader societal conditions. The trend towards a more sedentary society is not a coincidental individual failing of millions of people. It is because our economies and our built environment contributed to it.

Yes. Our ancestors walked everywhere, all the time. Most of us now live in a place where there is almost no place useful you can walk to in your daily life. To get anything done, you have to drive.

If you live in a place where waking to get your daily life needs met is possible, good for you!

Re: What Ozempic does to the gut-brain axis

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Post by teliosix »

hack1312 wrote: post #205
fwip wrote: post #172

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Additionally - GLP1 drugs work by changing those eating patterns.

But those changes don’t stick if the drug is discontinued.

So what the fuck is your point?

I don't even know I read this board and all the fucking dumb opinions.

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Post by whazor »

joshuamcginnis wrote: post #16

Studies show almost all subjects regained the weight and reversed gains within 2 years. This means underlying issues (e.g., food addiction) aren't being addressed. Short of changing habits, the only maintenance solution is lifelong drug use and that doesn't sit well with me.

What were the numbers again? Because I remember a significant amount of people actually did not regain weight. Although the majority did.

Re: What Ozempic does to the gut-brain axis

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Post by microgpt »

randycupertino wrote: post #4
vladmk wrote: post #3

Mice are not people, but interesting link

I'm on GLP-1 and it's completely stopped my urge to online shop. I used to browse/shop for fun and out of habit or when I was stressed out or wanted a treat etc. Entirely resolved! I've also lost 40lbs on it.

I wonder if it will reduce usage of HN

Re: What Ozempic does to the gut-brain axis

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

faangguyindia wrote: post #351
PotatoPrime wrote: post #334

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If you're asking genuinely, yes it can be condescending to persist in asking for 'exactly' what they've done, especially when the discussion isn't focused on their diet or their success and failure. People tend to not want advice when they're not seeking it, and when someone wants to dissect every detail of what they've done that hasn't worked, when they mentioned it merely as an anecdote, it tends to be perceived as…

I'll keep on asking exact things you've done as long as you keep claiming something doesn't work, when I know it does and have worked for many. About advise part, I am not looking to offer him any advise I am simply defending the method and ideas, so that other people can find success with it similar to what I've done for me and for many others.

Your advice is exactly the same advice that people have been giving for decades. Look around. Giving that advice doesn't work for most people.

How much weight did you lose, and how long have you kept it off?

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

applfanboysbgon wrote: post #84
ceejayoz wrote: post #81

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> We also know there's a replication crisis in psychology and medicine… It seems unlikely to extend to bariatric surgery outcomes. > This idea that Americans are genetically pre-ordained to be fat seems like fanciful thinking. This idea that Americans are genetically pre-ordained to lack willpower seems like fanciful thinking.

Of course they aren't genetically pre-ordained to lack willpower. That's why they could stop being fat, if only they chose to. The issue is cultural, not genetic. You don't go from 12% obesity to 40% obesity in 40 years due to a genetic shift, but rather a cultural one.

Or some other sort of environmental change. Maybe it's hormone related due to the amount of plastic we use? Or possibly birth control drugs contaminating the water supply? Maybe it's due to lithium levels in the water supply? You don't know, and neither do I.

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Post by theshrike79 »

faangguyindia wrote: post #352
solumunus wrote: post #290

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Specifically for me it makes junk food unpleasant. My diet is now impeccable. I hardly ever have a takeaway and if I do it needs to be something that is not greasy and is good clean food. I also find drinking alcohol much less pleasant. I still drink sometimes but after a few beers or glasses of wine it starts to become very unappealing and I stop. I do bodybuilding and I’m still getting my 150g of protein in. I’m ba…

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People are different. Weird, right?

I have a friend who was literally ordered, by a doctor, to eat as much fat as they could because they were too skinny. They're the type of person for whom food is 100% fuel and they can just stop mid-burger and not eat the second half because "they don't feel like it".

I'm not like that. Leaving half a burger that I paid for on the plate is something I've never done or even considered a possibility that any sane person would do.

Re: What Ozempic does to the gut-brain axis

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Post by theshrike79 »

sublinear wrote: post #298
rnewme wrote: post #234

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Do you know what food noise is?

Yes. I'm saying that it goes away when you fix your diet. Do you know what nutrients are? Deficiencies are the cause of the noise. This is an evolutionary feature, not a bug. Your body is expecting you to keep eating alternatives until you eventually stumble onto the foods that make you feel better and then keep eating those. In severe cases you might need more patience with the right foods, but if you already feel l…

I eat a perfect diet of moslty vegetables, chicken and fish, I cook my own food and know what's in it.

I just eat too much of it, because food tastes good and it's a source of dopamine for me. Like most people with food noise.

Also when I get up and finish eating, within 30 minutes my brain is thinking what's going to be the next meal I eat. Food noise.

Yes, some people can lose massive amounts of weight by "just eting right", my brother in law lost 20kg by just not drinking beer anymore. I haven't had a beer in 3 years and didn't lose a single kg. Food noise.

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