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Apple - Think Twice

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Re: Apple - Think Twice

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Two examples of bad service I've had from Apple recently:

a) ordered an iPod nano. Apple missed the delivery date by nearly a week, because they had outsourced the delivery to some unreliable company in Glasgow. I had left the country by the time it arrived.

b) I want to purchase a new 21.5" iMac. Store here in Zurich doesn't know when they'll have stock and suggest I phone each day. I said if I order online could I deliver it to the store. No was the answer. Then I said I would miss the delivery as I work - so asked which courier would be used and would I be able to visit their base to pick the iMac up. The guy in the store was unable to answer. I can't find anyone to contact via e-mail either.

I don't see Apple as a customer focused company.

Re: Apple - Think Twice

#382
apple have had their day. Their going downhill FAST.

I'm glad I got to experience apple when they were great, it was the tail end of their greatness but they created beautiful products and cared about the consumer.

Now their all about the money.

I recently had to book a genius appt and wait a week to get a new charger. w-t-f apple. In the old days any staff would try out your charger, realise it didn't work and then replace it (assuming it was under warrenty) now I have to spend £65 and then get a refund the week after. and they gave me ANOTHER new charger. Why not let me keep the one I paid for and not create more waste.

already left the iphone fold but unfortunately osx (snow leopard at least) is a great OS :(

Re: Apple - Think Twice

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How are you performing this test? Are you creating an application with a plain grey window and running it? I think this could be an OS issue/graphics driver issue. I sometimes notice things "behind" my dark grey Xcode editor window - like for example, I can see this website in Safari behind Xcode. However, sometimes, I see stuff that isn't directly behind Xcode - but it is in another Space. If the hardware test is su…

It's the display.

If it were a software problem Apple would probably not be replacing any screens at all or even performing a screen test.

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On the other hand, sometimes tough love is indeed the adequate response and makes the SO to notice (s)he's being childish. Especially if said SO is generally mature enough to notice.

I disagree. The reason why we are often too eager to dismiss is because kindness takes effort. Empathy, and certainly sympathy, is hard work. We get lazy, we become exhausted and our reactions become snappy. Almost always the "dry your eyes" advice is inappropriate and insensitive. And it never really achieves its intended objective. I'm not saying we should all participate in crying orgies whenever someone shows sig…

Note that I didn't say you should always be tough. Of course that being kind and compassionate is the right answer most of the time.

It's just that sometimes a figurative slap is the right thing the sufferer needs to wake up from the suffering and realize there's no actual need to suffer like that.

It's all very personal and context dependent and, most importantly, it should never be done in anger.

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My perspective here is in no way Apple-specific, but I was reminded of something quite interesting in this story: if you pass a test and you still have problems, it probably means the test isn't good enough. Worse, passing a test doesn't magically change the state of the world and make these problems disappear. Turning to the customer and explaining, "there is no problem because you passed the test" does not alter th…

>Turning to the customer and explaining, "there is no problem because you passed the test" does not alter the customer's experience at all: the ghosting still exists

Yes, but you don't always want to do everything the customer wants. I mean, maybe this is a defect in the screen, in which case, you are right that apple should probably fix the test.

but, maybe this is just how those displays work. Maybe this level of ghosting is simply the best you can do with the technology Apple used to have the screen made?

In that case, it's really a problem of setting expectations.

The problem is that even if you provide the exact same product and support to 100 customers, you will have 1 who will demand more support time than the rest. At some point, you need to decide how much effort you want to put in to that customer.

I mean, the problem with those 1 out of 100 customers? they do complain to their friends, like this guy did.

So yeah, you don't want those customers? but you also need to fire them in a reasonable way. "I'll give you your money back if you go away" sort of thing.

If you are a company that really values your customer service reputation? maybe you don't want to fire the 1 out of 100 customer. Maybe you want to eat that cost. but you do want to fire the 1 in 1000 customer. There is a point at which you need to say 'no, enough' just because of how much money one user can cost you.

(Again, I think the best way to handle it is to apologize sincerely (because, after all, it could very well have been an undetected defect in your product) give them a full refund, and point them at your competition. I think Apple may have a hard time doing that, though.)

> Worse, passing a test doesn't magically change the state of the world and make these problems disappear. Turning to the customer and explaining, "there is no problem because you passed the test" does not alter the customer's experience at all: the ghosting still exists.

The point of the test is to determine if your problem is with the customer, or with the product. Maybe there is a certain amount of ghosting on all of these screens, and most people just don't care? in that case, the test is a way of saying "this guy is so sensitive that we don't want him as a customer."

What I want to know is what the hell OP is doing replacing the screen? I mean, clearly, this is within apple's tolerances, so why does he think a new screen would be better?

Re: Apple - Think Twice

#386
Can someone posts some pictures showing how the ghosting interferes with regular applications (Safari, iTunes, XCode etc)? Maybe it is something one can live with, especially considering how primitive the existing displays are compared to the retina display.

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In most markets, the law does not allow beta products and caveat emptor. Warranties against product flaws are mandatory. Personally, I would consider ghosting as shown by the OP a defect covered by warranty. In addition to that, a premium brand should treat early adopters well, especially those who bought the flagship product. This is the point OP seems to be making. However, due to their own design decisions, they h…

"...Warranties against product flaws are mandatory..." If that were true... the software industry would be in REAL trouble.

For an example, see this summary of the baseline for warranties in the EU http://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/shopping/shopping-abroa... I suppose the reason why the software industry gets around this is that you can't buy software but only license it.

Re: Apple - Think Twice

#388
>I'm writing this because I think Apple may have changed.

Really? How it's different from, say, the constantly failing logic boards on iBooks G3? Or overheating on MBP circa 2007. Or the problems with the G4 Cube. Or the green goo from G5 Mac Pros' liquid cooling.

Shit happened with Apple before AND after Jobs. Especially when you buy a first generation model, like the Retina was. Wait it out till they iron the problems.

I've had similar things happen to my PC machines. On them at a much bigger rate than in Apple gear. I had IBM "Death"star disk drives failing in 3 machines on my small company. I checked the webs, and they had issued a note that the disks were problematic and suggested not running them for more than 700 consecutive hours (!!!). And that's from IBM. Another time I had an AMD machine that overheated and stopped working (processor shutdown). Or a Toshiba laptop that lost 3 keys in 2 years and the DVD never wrote a disk correctly.

The difference is, a company like Toshiba or Acer, ships less units and more models (and far more variations), so a faulty run at them affects, say, 50,000 people, whereas a faulty Apple run affects one or two million.

Not to mention that most models from those companies rarely stray of the "proven and boring" road, so they get things like Retina, thunderbolt etc after all the quirks have been ironed out by more forward moving companies (Apple, sometimes Sony, etc).

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"...Warranties against product flaws are mandatory..." If that were true... the software industry would be in REAL trouble.

Do you agree to an EULA when buying an MBP or another laptop, implicitly or otherwise? Serious question.

AFAIK, as a consumer, you cannot sign away these rights for physical products. For software, which you license, i.e. acquire usage rights, the situation seems to be different.

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I don't think calling Apple out on selling a faulty $3000 laptop and refusing to repair it counts as histrionics or spam.

No, but the tone and ensuing vitriol does. I'd hasten to add that this happen with other manufacturers with startling regularity too. I've been given the run around by HP on a similar spec'ed and similarly priced month old EliteBook, that is faulty to point of unsuitability for any practical use. This is replacing a Thinkpad whose screen came away from it hinges after less than 6 months use. Had I written a scathing…

So the person that down-voted without explaining why either thinks that there has been a lack of vitriol or thinks that anecdotal evidence in the negative outweighs the plethora of anecdotal evidence to the contrary. We'll never know because this has developed into the usual inevitable flame fest.
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