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Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by joquarky »

IAmGraydon wrote: post #229
giantg2 wrote: post #176

This is how greed works. The players want as much money as they can get. The owners want to charge as much as they can for everything while paying the least possible amount. The networks that buy the broadcasting and other rights want to most they can charge for them. Sports have gotten way out of hand, even without the betting aspect. People criticize gambling, porn, and other less desirable forms of entertainment w…

>This is how greed works. The players want as much money as they can get. The owners want to charge as much as they can for everything while paying the least possible amount. The networks that buy the broadcasting and other rights want to most they can charge for them. And the buyer wants to pay as little as they possibly can. That's not greed. That's called a market and it's functioning as it should.

Markets don't make sense for non-fungible products.

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by joquarky »

prmoustache wrote: post #334
electronsoup wrote: post #36

At what point does spanish internet become too unreliable? There was a thread the other day about someone's CI jobs failing due too this.

I am pretty sure Telefónica will tell people they can just switch to their own services. Telefonica has a business branch that offer some services similar to cloudflares ones like CDN, DDOS Protection, etc...There is a huge conflict of interest here to use copyright law to make cloudflare and other competitors customer's life as crappy and unusable as they can.

Copyright has been OP for too long.

Its time we started whittling it back.

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by fluoridation »

mrtksn wrote: post #377
fluoridation wrote: post #367

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Apparently IPTV costs 20 to 60 Euros per year, the legal option is over 100 euros per month. To match the IPTV they need 20x price reduction. Uh... Huh? How is EUR 20 * 20 approximately EUR 100?

If you do the maths correctly it’s in that range, roughly. (100*12 months) = 1200 euros/year 1200/60 = 20 so 20x difference between the most expensive IPTV and the cheapest legal option. You can go with the 20 EUR IPTV vs the 200 EUR legal option and it would be 120x difference but probably the quality would be the same so let’s stick with the 20x.

Oh, per year. Duh. My bad. I just be tired, it's the second time in a few minutes that I've completely misread something.

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by iamzenitraM »

Levitz wrote: post #362
iamzenitraM wrote: post #308

Oh hi HN, I'm one of the folks behind https://hayahora.futbol , we monitor the blocks via a varying set of homelab infrastructure to at least try to make a bit more transparent when they occur and what gets blocked (which isn't public, and we have to guess). Feel free to AMA!

Will you guys update the site if what OP talks about ends up taking effect? I guess that at that point the domain name would be a bit out of place.

Maybe, although I don't think a lot of blocks will happen about anything other than different kinds of football. Given their following in Spain and the market I'd expect much more rampant piracy on F1 or MotoGP much sooner than... golf? which likely has a very very niche following in comparison. Surprising they didn't puruse about either of both, maybe because of different rightholders in the middle.

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Post by embedding-shape »

bluecalm wrote: post #225
embedding-shape wrote: post #38

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I'd trade "not being able to access Cloudflare-websites for some hours per week" over "My neighbors can't afford healthcare, there is no public transport for anyone nor can I walk to a cafe on the other side of town", but we all have different priorities :) Don't get me wrong, it sucks, makes no sense and I hate the responsible people for it, but in the grand scheme of things, Spain does have a higher quality of life…

I don't think Spain has such amazing quality of life if you are not already set. It's very tough for young people. It doesn't reward hard work and education. If you have your nice house in a nice place and a good government job it's a happy place but from what I see around people, especially young productive people are not in good place here. Spain is lucky that it gets around 20% of its economy because of nice weath…

> I don't think Spain has such amazing quality of life if you are not already set. It's very tough for young people. It doesn't reward hard work and education

When I first came here I literally spent 2 days sleeping outside as I couldn't afford housing, and had very rough 4-5 years before I even got my first programming job. Today I'm financially independent though, and it's probably all thanks the type of environment Spain has fostered together with my own willpower, compared to the environment in the country I'm from where it'd be short of impossible to do what I did, with zero education.

I think it depends on what you compare it to. Plenty of places are way worse, and many other places are surely better. It's definitively possible to achieve amazing quality of life even if you aren't "already set", even outside of government jobs (that don't even pay that well anyways).

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by mrtksn »

fluoridation wrote: post #384
mrtksn wrote: post #377

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you do the maths correctly it’s in that range, roughly. (100*12 months) = 1200 euros/year 1200/60 = 20 so 20x difference between the most expensive IPTV and the cheapest legal option. You can go with the 20 EUR IPTV vs the 200 EUR legal option and it would be 120x difference but probably the quality would be the same so let’s stick with the 20x.

Oh, per year . Duh. My bad. I just be tired, it's the second time in a few minutes that I've completely misread something.

No worries :) I shouldn't have been mixing months and years type subscriptions in first place.

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Post by pembrook »

svachalek wrote: post #263
tracker1 wrote: post #75

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You're welcome to walk to the cafe on the other side of town... however, if you're in a larger city in the southwest, you can expect that walk to take several hours. Just driving from one edge of the Phoenix metro area to the other corner can take upwards of over an hour and a half, and our traffic isn't nearly as bad as other cities. As for healthcare... that's a mixed bag... you can go to the ER and you will be tre…

My last ER trip ended up over $1,000,000. Fortunately after out-of-pocket maximum it was all covered by insurance but this kind of debt would be life ending to the uninsured.

No it wouldn't be. If you were uninsured, the price would magically drop to $50,000. And if you couldn't pay it you'd simply file for bankruptcy and it would be socialized onto the rest of us that way. Worst case scenario, post-bankruptcy you'd have to rent a home for 7 years instead of getting a mortgage until your credit resets. But even people who have gone through bankruptcies can still get mortgages.

Yes, the US healthcare system is insane/dumb. But the stupidity of it can just be stated matter-of-factly without inventing falsehoods like "life ending $1,000,000 debt for the uninsured."

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Post by lentil_soup »

LinXitoW wrote: post #369
lentil_soup wrote: post #277

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What a sad world where we all have the same culture and language. There's many concepts that don't translate from one language to the next, they form a way of looking at the world. What about foods, and stories and music, nah, sounds terrible. I also want one big world for all but definitely not a single culture or language

So there's only one single culture in all english speaking countries? A unified language does not in any way imply a boring or "assimilated" culture. Dutch people can still ask their closest friend to Venmo them 2 bucks for the fries they took earlier, germans can still make and drink objectively better beer, and the french can still be black and white and smoking a cigarette. But just in english instead.

OP literally advocated for having a single culture.

And you missed the part I said about how different human concepts don't exist in all languages, do we just not have those? Language is an integral part of different cultures, not the only one, but a pretty big one. Can't believe I'm having to defend this.

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Post by milkytron »

Aurornis wrote: post #144
llbbdd wrote: post #30

Assuming that "piracy is a service problem, not a pricing problem" is still the prevailing wisdom, what is Spain / La Liga doing wrong that sports piracy is so prevalent as to warrant this? It seems like a no-brainer to expand stream availability and charge appropriately for it vs. scheduling daily kneecaps of other economic activity.

> Assuming that "piracy is a service problem, not a pricing problem" is still the prevailing wisdom I don't have experience with broadcast media (in Spain, especially) but I a little experience on the software side: I could not believe the lengths some people would go to in order to avoid paying even $5-10 for useful software. Hours of work, sketchy cracks, downloading things from websites likely to compromise their…

One of the easiest things to pirate is music. Spotify basically killed mainstream piracy of music by making it cheap and easy to pay for nearly all music.

I used to pirate video games, but Steam basically ended that for me. The sales no longer make it worth it for me to pirate a $60 game, instead, I can buy it for $12 on sale.

For software, I used to pirate Adobe products and Sony Vegas, but there are alternatives for those now.

For something like sports, I think the cost can be hundreds of dollars per season. I watch the NFL and NHL, and to watch every game that I'd like to watch, it would cost me something like $600+ per year. There aren't really viable alternatives. I'd have to get three services to watch all of the NHL games I want to watch, and I don't even know how many services I need for the NFL. Amazon Prime, Sunday Ticket, CBS, Fox? Or cable/YouTubeTV with additional packages?

I'd happily pay $100 or $200 per year to watch all games in a league for a year if it was through a single service. Or a lump sum for all sports. But in the same amount of time to enter my payment information, create an account, etc. I could have easily found a stream and have it on any TV in my house.

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