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Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by wmf »

gspr wrote: post #35
lode wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See this story from 2 days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47738883 Basically, to combat pirate streaming of football matches, La Liga (the Spanish football association) can compel Spanish ISPs to block wide ranges of IP blocks that are suspected of hosting those streams. This includes Cloudflare, which - due to lots of websites depending on them (see what happened when they went down last year: https://blo…

I wonder when businesses will start suing ISPs for the losses they incur while they're cut off from half the internet.

ISPs are following the law. You want to sue the government.

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by cedws »

0x_rs wrote: post #42

Seems obvious at this point there needs to be EU-level regulations against individual countries, such as Spain and Italy, implementing these absurd restrictions. It would at least make lobbying from those sports companies more difficult. These same companies have been pushing for banning VPNs -- consumer VPNs -- as they easily circumvent half the internet going dark because of some dumb sports event, and they're goin…

The EU is in favour of this kind of rubbish, as is the UK. We need to kick these idiots out of power.

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by embedding-shape »

bot403 wrote: post #63
embedding-shape wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd trade "not being able to access Cloudflare-websites for some hours per week" over "My neighbors can't afford healthcare, there is no public transport for anyone nor can I walk to a cafe on the other side of town", but we all have different priorities :) Don't get me wrong, it sucks, makes no sense and I hate the responsible people for it, but in the grand scheme of things, Spain does have a higher quality of life…

Or you can have all of those things but also not block cloudflare. Because blocking cloudflare is in the interest of just a few company's profits and is unrelated to everything else you mentioned.

Yes, sure, as mentioned, I agree with that it's fucking stupid, but when someone complains about that, while referring to "quality of life" in a place which more depends on other things, it's worth to zoom out a bit and gain some perspective, which was frankly missing in the comment I was responding to.

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by tracker1 »

embedding-shape wrote: post #38
nradov wrote: post #26

It's always hilarious to see HN users claim how the "quality of life" is so much better in the EU than the USA. When in reality most of them only ever visit a handful of EU first-tier cities for short vacations or business trips, and never have to deal with the reality of living and working under an oppressive bureaucratic state.

I'd trade "not being able to access Cloudflare-websites for some hours per week" over "My neighbors can't afford healthcare, there is no public transport for anyone nor can I walk to a cafe on the other side of town", but we all have different priorities :) Don't get me wrong, it sucks, makes no sense and I hate the responsible people for it, but in the grand scheme of things, Spain does have a higher quality of life…

You're welcome to walk to the cafe on the other side of town... however, if you're in a larger city in the southwest, you can expect that walk to take several hours. Just driving from one edge of the Phoenix metro area to the other corner can take upwards of over an hour and a half, and our traffic isn't nearly as bad as other cities.

As for healthcare... that's a mixed bag... you can go to the ER and you will be treated, but the bill afterwards may or may not be impactful... There have been some improvements, but the healthcare lobby is massive, and pretty much stops most reasonable and some unreasonable improvements.

On public transportation, it varies... you need to realize that the main part of the US is by itself about the size of Europe... I would assume there are plenty of areas of Europe where public transit is likely limited. Not even getting into Alaska, which is by itself massive and largely unpopulated. It's probably better to compare individual US States to EU nations in terms of transit.

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by redsocksfan45 »

0x_rs wrote: post #42

Seems obvious at this point there needs to be EU-level regulations against individual countries, such as Spain and Italy, implementing these absurd restrictions. It would at least make lobbying from those sports companies more difficult. These same companies have been pushing for banning VPNs -- consumer VPNs -- as they easily circumvent half the internet going dark because of some dumb sports event, and they're goin…

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Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by torben-friis »

llbbdd wrote: post #30

Assuming that "piracy is a service problem, not a pricing problem" is still the prevailing wisdom, what is Spain / La Liga doing wrong that sports piracy is so prevalent as to warrant this? It seems like a no-brainer to expand stream availability and charge appropriately for it vs. scheduling daily kneecaps of other economic activity.

Football in Spain is usually sold by what used to be cable tv (now a mix of cable + Netflix-like streaming). Usually to get access to matches you need the most expensive package, which includes a bajillion services and might even be tied to a cell/internet provider. Footbal is their "killer feature" that enables 200 euro subscriptions.

They also sell "business access", so pubs can show the match, since going to the bar for a beer is the go-to choice for those who can't afford to watch at home.

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by krelian »

rwyinuse wrote: post #53

If I ever start watching football, I'll make sure to pirate every match. FIFA, La Liga, they all seem utterly rotten to me.

It will take years before the effect will be felt but I do believe since watching football has become so expensive younger generations are going to watch less of it.

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by mihaelm »

Paratoner wrote: post #60
rapnie wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Once you dub, you can't stop. I'm glad Netherlands doesn't do dubbing. Helps general foreign language profiency, I suppose, and near every Dutch person speaks English quite reasonably.

I never understood this attitude from native speakers towards their own language. I am a fresh NL citizen, and have struggled SO MUCH to assimilate into society largely due to this prevalent mentality of "dutch sux actually, we can all speak english amirite guys??" its so bafflingly self-destructive to your own culture. But go off I guess.

I didn't understand him that way. It's more that it helps if people can more easily pick up a foreign language, or solidify their skills, along the way through media. Doubly so when it's a lingua franca like English.

Though for you, I understand you might have been peeved if people kept switching to English when you just wanted to practice Dutch.

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