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Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by drob518 »

cryptonym wrote: post #372
lukan wrote: post #355

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does cloudflare refuse a court order to take down a site? I don't think so.

Are blocking unlawful? I don't think so. Their country their rules. Business-wise it's risky to deliver your service from IPs that also serves dirty content. Technical solutions exists, even if you want to stay on Cloudflare.

But it also highlights the fact that the idea of blocking “dirty IPs” is at best a blunt instrument. Every ISP has abusers. Some are worse than others at self-policing their customers. Cloudflare is reputable and better than most. Given the huge breadth of sites sitting behind Cloudflare, it’s crazy, IMO, to block all of Cloudflare.

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by drob518 »

pxc wrote: post #281
mlyle wrote: post #275

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason why entities comply with the wishes of courts is because there's consequences if they don't. Consequences like being filtered.

Cloudflare has not in fact refused to comply with any court orders! The very thing at issue is that LaLiga wants Cloudflare to do censorship on their behalf that Cloudflare, who has no contractual relationship with LaLiga, is not required to do by any legal framework in Spain or the US. Cloudflare literally wasn't even a party to the ruling by which LaLiga has been compelling Spanish ISPs to do the IP-level blocking.…

So, lawsuits against LaLiga from parties with affected sites would be the path forward, right? Those might be difficult in Spanish courts.

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by embedding-shape »

hunterpayne wrote: post #269
embedding-shape wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Spain isn't a perfect country, I don't think any is. But the economy isn't in shambles, only someone who doesn't know what they're talking about would say anything like that. It does suck that La Liga can wield so much power, agree, but this is not related to the economy at all...

Sorry, but this isn't true. The Spanish economy shrank by 8% in 2023. So all those gains in the last couple of years are just catching up to 2023 and not actual growth. Add in inflation and the average Spaniard has lost 10% of their income over that period (2023-now). The median citizen losing 10% of their income in real economic terms does qualify for the vaunted "shambles" title.

Talk about being wildly wrong, where are you getting any of that from?

> The Spanish economy shrank by 8% in 2023

The Spanish economy grew by 2.5% in 2023 - https://www.idealista.com/en/news/financial-advice-in-spain/...

> So all those gains in the last couple of years are just catching up to 2023

Since there was no drop, there was no "catching up". 3.2% growth in 2024 (https://www.caixabankresearch.com/en/economics-markets/recen...) and estimated 2.8% in 2025 (https://tradingeconomics.com/spain/full-year-gdp-growth)

> Add in inflation and the average Spaniard has lost 10% of their income over that period (2023-now).

You're right that there was high inflation in 2022-2023 (like everywhere in Europe). However, wages grew and even outpaced inflation in 2024 (https://santandertrade.com/en/portal/analyse-markets/spain/e...), real incomes did not collapse by 10% over 2023–2025. Another fun fact, employment has been growing strongly, unemployment has been falling.

> The median citizen losing 10% of their income in real economic terms does qualify for the vaunted "shambles" title.

Not really, Spain is "outperforming peers" (https://www.euronews.com/business/2025/03/26/the-spanish-eco...) and is currently outperforming major EU economies like Germany and France.

Before trying to respond with some more outrageously incorrect claims, please learn to provide any sort of source before embarrassing yourself further.

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by spwa4 »

ErneX wrote: post #364
spwa4 wrote: post #312

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Or to put it another way: Catalunya (Barcelona and surroundings) is one of 3 Spanish regions that want to break away from Spain, not counting overseas territories. And yes, the population really wants this: there was a referendum and the outcome was: 92% want out of Spain. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Catalan_independence_refe... (why? Let's be honest: Catalunya would benefit enormously from independence, but w…

You forgot to mention that some of the people behind the catalonian independence movement met with Russians who even offered military support if they went ahead with a proclamation of independency. I think we should all move on from that bizarre situation.

... and the currently in power party in Spain, while they have publicly condemned Russia's invasion of Ukraine, also argues passionately against EU sanctions against Russia, and has consistently increased LNG imports from Russia (meaning already years ago, it's not a reaction to the Hormuz situation)

Oh and both are pro-China too. I guess they're trying to open the next huge can of worms preemptively. Why wait?

So, yeah, I doubt Ukraine is happy with either side in this conflict, and Catalunya separatists are a somewhat more desperate than Madrid. Doesn't really change anything about the conflict.

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by SturgeonsLaw »

iamtedd wrote: post #360
SturgeonsLaw wrote: post #354

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In Australia the court ruled that they can only sue for the cost of renting the movie, so they don't bother trying to recoup their ten bucks

That's interesting. Do you have further reading? I've seen AFACT v iiNet, but that doesn't look to be the source of "cost of renting", just that the ISP isn't responsible for their users.

Yep, check out Dallas Buyers Club v iiNet

Here's some commentary on it:

> Justice Perram discussed the idea of speculative invoicing within Australia

> Representing to a consumer that they have a liability which they do not may well be misleading and deceptive conduct within the meaning of s 18 of the Australian Consumer Law and it may be equally misleading to represent to someone that their potential liability is much higher than it could ever realistically be. There may also be something to be said for the idea that speculative invoicing might be a species of unconscionable conduct within one or other of s 21 of the Australian Consumer Law or s 12CB of the Australian Securities and Investments Commission Act 2001 (Cth).

> Further, even if speculative invoicing was deemed to be lawful within Australia, the damages that the individual may be liable to are often calculated differently to that of the United States. In Australia, damages are compensatory in nature, meaning to compensate the plaintiff for the loss suffered. One Intellectual Property Lawyer has been quoted as saying, ‘If a film costs $20, the damages would ordinarily be expected to be $20.’

https://www.kells.com.au/insights/business/dallas-buyers-clu...

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by sam_lowry_ »

I am walking the Camino de Santiago now, and there were piligrims complaining about random issues with their phones, e.g. an elderly German lady was totally lost as her Google Maps was not working, so we got to an albergue, asked for wi-fi and downloaded CoMaps on her phone.

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by direwolf20 »

cryptonym wrote: post #372
lukan wrote: post #355

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does cloudflare refuse a court order to take down a site? I don't think so.

Are blocking unlawful? I don't think so. Their country their rules. Business-wise it's risky to deliver your service from IPs that also serves dirty content. Technical solutions exists, even if you want to stay on Cloudflare.

Country-wise it's risky to block the entire internet when football is on.

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by cdelsolar »

dualvariable wrote: post #113
cluckindan wrote: post #98

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Corruption at that level could mean organized crime. Is there a culture of betting through illegal bookies, are they fixing matches, or ¿porque no los dos?

penalti para el real madrid!

real vardrid

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by direwolf20 »

drob518 wrote: post #381
cryptonym wrote: post #372

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are blocking unlawful? I don't think so. Their country their rules. Business-wise it's risky to deliver your service from IPs that also serves dirty content. Technical solutions exists, even if you want to stay on Cloudflare.

But it also highlights the fact that the idea of blocking “dirty IPs” is at best a blunt instrument. Every ISP has abusers. Some are worse than others at self-policing their customers. Cloudflare is reputable and better than most. Given the huge breadth of sites sitting behind Cloudflare, it’s crazy, IMO, to block all of Cloudflare.

In other countries, like Italy, they made a system where domain names are fast-tracked for blocking within minutes. I hate to say it but Spain managed to do something even worse.

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by cdelsolar »

KAMSPioneer wrote: post #134
n6242 wrote: post #77

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> The football league would rather not have pirates livestream their ~90 minute games. Funny enough, I work in IT and I've had to use a VPN to be able to do my job when soccer is on, but my two non-tech-savy family members that do watch soccer using pirate livestreams say that they've never had any issues with blocked streams.

I work in IT and have found that the issue impacts my work but not my ability to stream sports from sites of questionable legality. Of course, I don't pirate La Liga matches but that's primarily because I don't give a shit about soccer. But the point is that the measure does more to block legitimate use than illegitimate (in my experience). And next they want to go after VPNs. Wonderful.

soccer is awesome and it is incorrect to not "give a shit" about soccer
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